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When there was a break in the rain yesterday I went out and took a few pictures with the thermal camera.
Picture 1 is with the door open, the engine running, truck climate control off and seat cooling set to off. The seat temp at the crosshair is 107.6° F.
Picture 2 is with the door open, the engine running, truck climate control off and seat cooling on high for 30 seconds. Seat temperature at the crosshair is at 94.2° F. I had planned on waiting the full 5 minutes to let the seat really cool down but it started raining and I didn't want to get the camera wet. If you look at the bottom edge of the seat, you can see a few dark blue dots where rain drops hit the leather:
This is the seat back, taken right after the picture above. You can clearly see how the air is ducted to six zones in the seat back. You can also see how the seat bottom is starting to cool a larger area:
If someone has a 2020+ truck and really wants to know if their seats are ventilated or cooled, this is a very definitive way to determine that.
And I get that. No, there is not a cooling element in the seat, but vented would infer only vents and no air movement, in my line of work, so I guess it is symantics. The fan in the seat does pick up A/C from the floor to produce a cooling effect. Anyway, after a hot day of work it feels good.
When there was a break in the rain yesterday I went out and took a few pictures with the thermal camera.
Picture 1 is with the door open, the engine running, truck climate control off and seat cooling set to off. The seat temp at the crosshair is 107.6° F.
Picture 2 is with the door open, the engine running, truck climate control off and seat cooling on high for 30 seconds. Seat temperature at the crosshair is at 94.2° F. I had planned on waiting the full 5 minutes to let the seat really cool down but it started raining and I didn't want to get the camera wet. If you look at the bottom edge of the seat, you can see a few dark blue dots where rain drops hit the leather:
This is the seat back, taken right after the picture above. You can clearly see how the air is ducted to six zones in the seat back. You can also see how the seat bottom is starting to cool a larger area:
If someone has a 2020+ truck and really wants to know if their seats are ventilated or cooled, this is a very definitive way to determine that.
Not a personal attack on you, just my opinion on the information you provided. I wouldn't say that given those small temp drops that is definitive evidence of having a cooling system rather than just a fan. Would be interested to see a longer test, I'm expecting temps in the teens(C), maybe I'm out to lunch.
Here is a pic of the drivers' side seat back in my MY22 Limited (as listed in tag line below). The cooling seats is simply a fan that pulls cabin air and pushes it through a seat cushion and seat back perforated mat. I don't believe there is any way for A/C being ducted in the blower nor any type of cooled liquid ducted into the seat. Can't speak to other MY trucks, other than my MY22 Limited.
Not a personal attack on you, just my opinion on the information you provided. I wouldn't say that given those small temp drops that is definitive evidence of having a cooling system rather than just a fan. Would be interested to see a longer test, I'm expecting temps in the teens(C), maybe I'm out to lunch.
His is a '19, so we know for a fact that it has a cooling element. It's just a thermal electric device with a blower, so not sure how extreme of a temp difference it can make. But it does make cool air.
Not a personal attack on you, just my opinion on the information you provided. I wouldn't say that given those small temp drops that is definitive evidence of having a cooling system rather than just a fan. Would be interested to see a longer test, I'm expecting temps in the teens(C), maybe I'm out to lunch.
No possible way for the seat to cool 13° F in 30 seconds with just a fan moving the ambient air. Moving air does not cool anything but creatures that sweat. It can help transfer heat from one object to another but the temp will not drop below the ambient temps in a situation like the interior of a vehicle. Max cooling for a Peltier device (single stage) is roughly 70°.
Here's a video showing how it's installed in a F-150 seat:
No possible way for the seat to cool 13° F in 30 seconds with just a fan moving the ambient air. Moving air does not cool anything but creatures that sweat. It can help transfer heat from one object to another but the temp will not drop below the ambient temps in a situation like the interior of a vehicle. Max cooling for a Peltier device (single stage) is roughly 70°.
I did say the teens(C) not F however and I was thinking more of a longer test. Wasn’t expecting it to drop a lot in 30sec which is why I don’t think that test really tells us much.
Just looking at the colours in your pic it looks like the outside of the seat is the same temp as when the cooling is.
And was this on a 20 or a 19? I thought you said you had a 20 but someone said you had a 19 maybe?
Kind of blurry, my infrared gun is not quite as defined, but you can clearly see the purple cooled areas in the "ventilated" portion in comparison to the orange areas of the "non Ventilated areas. Tells me they are cooled also. '22 Lariat. This after diving 1/2 an hour.
Kind of blurry, my infrared gun is not quite as defined, but you can clearly see the purple cooled areas in the "ventilated" portion in comparison to the orange areas of the "non Ventilated areas. Tells me they are cooled also. '22 Lariat. This after diving 1/2 an hour.
Did you have the AC on during that drive? There really is nothing (literature, parts) that indicates that Ford went back to a cooled seat. They stopped using the TED unit in the SD and nothing I have seen shows that it was reintroduced.
I had the climate on at 72 blowing out the dash vents at level 2. The door was open about 10 minutes prior to taking temps. 6 depress difference between ventilated section and non-ventilated right next to it. You can definitely feel the colder air between your legs. Not disagreeing about the parts list, but however it is designed it is definitely cooling in the seat bottom and back. Even in the mornings when I start it in the garage and have the air off but the seats remember the setting from the day before and are on you can feel cooler air within a minute.
My 2020 F450 Limited was built in December of 2019 and it definitely has the cooled seats, they get really cold, same as the seats in my wife's 2019 Edge. If you leave them on high too long, the get uncomfortably cold. It appears that some 2020s may have vented and others cooled seats depending on either when they were built or the trim level. Here is the text from the 2020 Order Guide.
My window sticker (previously posted) also says Htd/Cld, not Heated/Ventilated.
My 2020 F450 Limited was built in December of 2019 and it definitely has the cooled seats, they get really cold, same as the seats in my wife's 2019 Edge. If you leave them on high too long, the get uncomfortably cold. It appears that some 2020s may have vented and others cooled seats depending on either when they were built or the trim level. Here is the text from the 2020 Order Guide.
My window sticker (previously posted) also says Htd/Cld, not Heated/Ventilated.
Here is what the 2024 Order Guide says for the Limited:
