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Look at all the guys who are buying regular cab 5.0 F-150 trucks with 4x4 and they slap a Whipple supercharger on them and turn them up to over 700 HP and then take them to the track and drag race them. They launch in 4-high and light the tires up. Over and over again. It's such a common build to do that there are even some dealerships offering this package right off the showroom floor.
You would think that if these front diffs were really made of glass, these guys would never be able to get away with launching them like that with over 700 horses going to the axles.
Look at all the guys who are buying regular cab 5.0 F-150 trucks with 4x4 and they slap a Whipple supercharger on them and turn them up to over 700 HP and then take them to the track and drag race them. They launch in 4-high and light the tires up. Over and over again. It's such a common build to do that there are even some dealerships offering this package right off the showroom floor.
You would think that if these front diffs were really made of glass, these guys would never be able to get away with launching them like that with over 700 horses going to the axles.
In the forward direction, the helical cut gears pull the assembly together.
In reverse, they push the assembly apart, which blows up the poorly cast, super thin cases.
The problems are all happening in reverse.
Many from just backing up trailers in the snow.
I also place a large amount of blame on the engine management system.
Letting off the accelerator after full throttle, it takes a full 2 or 3 seconds for the engine to begin winding down. They do this for emissions reasons. Specifically, to eliminate the brief rich condition rapidly closing the throttle creates. Same goes for stomping the gas pedal, the butterfly does not move proportionally to the pedal position. In essence, you are asking permission from the computer to be able to control your own vehicle. Who's really driving here?
I can only guess how many crashes this causes across all the manufacturers now. Because of government emissions mandates.
In my case, even though I am very conscious of the unnecessary delay, and tried to wait a couple seconds for the engine to "wind down" before braking, I believe the throttle was still open due to the programming within the system when I did ease on the brakes to slow the spinning tires. It seems manufacturers and govt agencies are more concerned about a 2 second period of catalytic inefficiency, that actually allowing drivers to maintain control over their own vehicle.
Art this point, I'm thoroughly pissed. I want my @^*&#@^ truck back, and the first thing I'm doing when I do get it back is adding a banks pedal monster to eliminate ANY argument with the computer over my driving inputs.
Stupid computer truck.
P.S. my transmission shifts PERFECTLY. I've spent 6 months "training" it to my diving style.
If they screw with my parameters or do any unauthorized "updates" to my truck, I'm going to be upset. I have all that stuff turned off on purpose.
Just replace the gosh golly pumpkin and let me be on my way.
I suppose you could tow a nice trailer with that hot Bronco and not bust its differential. ...
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Did you bust a front or rear; did it hop out of 4x4? I would think you could demand a new or off market pumpkin Assy?
What I just read, there is a good way of operating a 4X4 and a very bad choice. Helical cut gears are protected by the
Differential lubricant. Most likely the Bearings broke the housing! Most likely the bearing pack is trashed.
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Well if that has a good Operational outcome effect for others? Does the JHC., what was I thinking thought come to mind?
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Sure, adding a tune can stop the spark limiter, RPM controls, change the upper RPM bands to extreme conditional needs.
I suppose you could tow a nice trailer with that hot Bronco and not bust its differential. ...
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Did you bust a front or rear; did it hop out of 4x4? I would think you could demand a new or off market pumpkin Assy?
What I just read, there is a good way of operating a 4X4 and a very bad choice. Helical cut gears are protected by the
Differential lubricant. Most likely the Bearings broke the housing! Most likely the bearing pack is trashed.
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Well if that has a good Operational outcome effect for others? Does the JHC., what was I thinking thought come to mind?
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Sure, adding a tune can stop the spark limiter, RPM controls, change the upper RPM bands to extreme conditional needs.
Thank you for your input.
Some of your replies seem a bit "off".
What "hot Bronco"? are you talking about? The loaner CAR that the stelership expects is a suitable substitute for a full rack and toolkit I used to be able carry on the truck? Silly little 3 cylinder CAR doesn't even have a hitch on it.
Or my very tired old beat to hell 280,000 mile '94? It's been performing nobly for a month now pulling a 14' trailer and has been treated to some well deserved maintenance in the process. I'd be screwed without it, but I'm having to ask a LOT from a very tired old truck.
From your question about "front or rear" I take it you didn't read the thread, or even the title before replying.
I've been operating 4x4 vehicles for 3 decades with very little carnage. I know what their limits SHOULD be. This incident was not over the line in any way. Rest assured, the problems with these POWDERED RECYCLED METAL differential castings are not all between the seat and the steering wheel. They are well documented now on other, more up to date places, and many of them have been retirees gently backing their travel trailers up in the woods.
Finally, where did you see me mention "tuning" this vehicle. I stated that I am perfectly happy with the transmission and power levels.
The Pedal commander, when properly set up, eliminates the lag in throttle inputs present in the system. It does ABSOLUTELY NOTHING to the rpm limits, timing, shift strategy, or power output.
Tomorrow will be 30 full days my truck has been sitting where I parked it at the stealership. No Diagnosis. No updates. Nothing more than a roller skate little car I'm terrified to scratch or get a windshield chip on that's out of free "miles". (I drive a LOT). The loaner has become more of an annoyance to my situation, than a help.
Thank GOD for my poor old '94 Bronco or else I'd be dead in the water as far as work is concerned. I still have the Gen 10 F150 I joined this site with, but it's currently not roadworthy.
Has anyone here opened a "Customer Care" case...? Or better stated, any advice on what my next move should be?
I need my truck back. They have let it sit there for a whole month without even looking at it. All while feigning concern and apathy on the phone.
Tomorrow will be 30 full days my truck has been sitting where I parked it at the stealership. No Diagnosis. No updates. Nothing more than a roller skate little car I'm terrified to scratch or get a windshield chip on that's out of free "miles". (I drive a LOT). The loaner has become more of an annoyance to my situation, than a help.
Thank GOD for my poor old '94 Bronco or else I'd be dead in the water as far as work is concerned. I still have the Gen 10 F150 I joined this site with, but it's currently not roadworthy.
Has anyone here opened a "Customer Care" case...? Or better stated, any advice on what my next move should be?
I need my truck back. They have let it sit there for a whole month without even looking at it. All while feigning concern and apathy on the phone.
If you want any chance of a response from the Ford Motor Company you'll have to Direct Message them. Click on their user ID in this forum and then on the screen that opens with their info there will be a link in the upper part of the page that says "Send Message".
Otherwise call the Ford Customer Care number available on Ford.com. This might be a better option because I have no idea how often the social media bot is tended.
Losers at first dealership (where truck was purchased) let my truck sit in their parking lot for over a month. They didn't even look at it after telling me they'd "get it right in to make up for the horrible experience I had when taking the wife's car in to them for warranty work" (4 months on that one)
I demanded my keys and took it to a different dealer. The new dealer actually looked at it and informed me I would need a new front axle.
So, 6 weeks in and 2 dealers later... I finally have been informed that my truck is broken. Good to know. NOW FIX THE MF'n THING before I get my attorney involved!!!!!!!!!!! I've been informed that they have to dig deeper than just looking up there with a light. Which is all they have done so far. Then moved it out back to the parking lot.
@Ford Motor Company Would you guys like to eat this truck? Because, I'm ready to file a Lemon Law Claim. This case more than meets the criteria in my state.
Funny how the Fordbot will chime in on other forums immediately when there is a problem, but here..... Crickets. I like this forum because it covers the entire range of Ford trucks. Not just half tons or the current model like others.
But it seems there is very little traffic coming to this site anymore and the Ford customer care reps have abandoned it. Maybe I need to sign up somewhere else to get noticed.
Same goes for stomping the gas pedal, the butterfly does not move proportionally to the pedal position.
new generation street bikes with drive by wire are the same way. grab a bunch of throttle but the plates dont open proportionate. and they start to close back up near redline so power and rpm really dives off. only good thing is you can flash the ecu and get rid of all that nonsense. instant 30hp
Well, the second dealer got me sorted out within a few weeks. Got it in for diag. the same day as my appointment. Sourced the correct parts during the big "cyber attack" and patched it up within a week of the parts arriving.
As much as I LOVE my old Bronco, it is not a good work truck. I can not stress how happy I am to have my work wagon back. I also can not say enough good things about the current crew at Summit Ford in Silverthorne CO.
They seemed to take my case personally and made up for me getting totally F#&%#d by Alpine Ford in Pueblo.
I've bought multiple used vehicles from Summit in the past, but went to Alpine because they had a huge inventory of F150s to choose from. I won't be making that mistake again. We'll be buying my wife's new Bronco from Summit this fall when the model year is coming to a close and the better deals come around. They've once again earned my business simply by being competent.
Powdered metal injection molding sucks. I suspect there is a lot of magnesium and recycled **** metal in these castings. I'm no metallurgist, but the grain structure looks terrible to me. My advice going forward is don't give it the beans in 4wd in reverse. EVER.
Same problem 2022 F150 stuck on ice, real wheels spinning then kaboom, front differential cracked in half.. Being covered under warranty but has to be a problem here only 50,000 kms on the truck. Front wheel were not moving despite being in 4 wheel drive.
Same problem 2022 F150 stuck on ice, real wheels spinning then kaboom, front differential cracked in half.. Being covered under warranty but has to be a problem here only 50,000 kms on the truck. Front wheel were not moving despite being in 4 wheel drive.
I fear this is what happened to me yesterday. Parts of my neighborhood are still a solid sheet of ice, I was in for auto going really slow across some ice and as soon as my front tires were on dry pavement, I accelerated, I guess just the driver side had traction and it started making a really bad grinding noise. Again, I don’t have the official diagnosis yet.
it’s covered under warranty, thankfully, but the part is on backorder with no ETA
Front differential came in quickly and I should only be without the truck for about 5 days total but leaves me concerned on upgrading to a 2026 model this year. Sounds like this is a common problem.
QUOTE=Bannerman;21756449]I fear this is what happened to me yesterday. Parts of my neighborhood are still a solid sheet of ice, I was in for auto going really slow across some ice and as soon as my front tires were on dry pavement, I accelerated, I guess just the driver side had traction and it started making a really bad grinding noise. Again, I don’t have the official diagnosis yet.
it’s covered under warranty, thankfully, but the part is on backorder with no ETA
Front differential came in quickly and I should only be without the truck for about 5 days total but leaves me concerned on upgrading to a 2026 model this year. Sounds like this is a common problem.
QUOTE=Bannerman;21756449]I fear this is what happened to me yesterday. Parts of my neighborhood are still a solid sheet of ice, I was in for auto going really slow across some ice and as soon as my front tires were on dry pavement, I accelerated, I guess just the driver side had traction and it started making a really bad grinding noise. Again, I don’t have the official diagnosis yet.
it’s covered under warranty, thankfully, but the part is on backorder with no ETA
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So the front differential ripped free from its mount and it fell down and was resting on the sway bar. No eta on parts. Possibly because this front differential has the Torsen
After the 3rd failure in 2 years, and less than optimum dealer support for this issue, I traded it in for an F250 with an IRON front axle.
I was told at the latest dealer that there was a quiet redesign on the F150 front housing sometime in 2025, so there's hope that it can be or has been remedied, but I'm not going to chance it. Loved the truck other than this issue.
They just don't make F150s like they used to. This is serious flaw, brought about in my opinion by the thinner, lighter material trend that came along with modern CAFE standards.
The larger trucks don't have to meet these standards.
I'm now getting better fuel economy from a much more capable vehicle. Please continue to post these here as an archive of an underlying problem, and keep the awareness going.
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