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Old Jul 5, 2023 | 09:54 AM
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Brake Bleed Help

Hi all - 1974 F250, RwD . I just completed rear shoes and drums and bled both rear sides without issue. Upon moving to the front right ( disc ) , I am getting a ton of air during the bleed process . It should be noted that the master cylinder bubbles and occasionally spits during this process. I’ve tried multiple times to get a steady stream of fluid, but I just cannot figure it out. The red brake light is on ( and has been for a few weeks now, even prior to the brake replacement ) . I have not done a bench bleed considering the rear bled just fine. Any help would be appreciated.
 
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Old Jul 5, 2023 | 10:52 AM
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Did you address the metering rod on the proportioning valve? Some get pushed in, some need to be restrained in the out position. Mine has the one that needs to be held outward prior to / during bleeding.
I have this explanation and fig 12 for mine.



I don't have figures 7 & 8, but maybe this gives you a path to explore?

 
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Old Jul 5, 2023 | 11:05 AM
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I pulled it out with vice grips and tried to bleed with the same results. It is directly below the Master Cylinder on my truck and not on / near the frame under drive seat like someone previously mentioned.
 
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Old Jul 5, 2023 | 11:10 AM
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I pulled it out with vice grips and tried to bleed with the same results. It is directly below the Master Cylinder on my truck and not on / near the frame under drive seat like someone previously mentioned.
Some get pushed in. Mine is always out, but if I were to try bleeding with out some how securing it, it will pop in. The difference in brake pressure will trip it. Throw a red light too.

I don't know which disc you have, nor if sliding calipers or fixed calipers? What is the GVWR on the door tag?
 
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Old Jul 5, 2023 | 11:18 AM
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You may want to read up on bench bleeding the MC again. As I think was mentioned in your other thread.




 
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Old Jul 5, 2023 | 11:26 AM
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6200, so I need to pull it out. Which I did with vice grips and a large screwdriver wedged in to keep it from popping back in.
 
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Old Jul 6, 2023 | 07:13 AM
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If your seeing bubbles in the master cylinder then you need to go back and bench bleed till they are gone. If they don't go away then the master cylinder is junk. You will never get the safety valve reset until the mater cylinder is air free.
 
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Old Jul 6, 2023 | 09:54 AM
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Thank you Mark A. This is what I was looking for. I didnt know if air bubbling / spitting coming from the MC during the bleed process was normal, and clearly its not and indicates a bench bleed is needed.
 
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Old Jul 6, 2023 | 11:04 AM
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New master cylinder is not very expensive. If you need to start over with a bench test I'd use a new one. Actually I do use a new one. And on your truck there is an adjustment rod right behind it. I'd try to make sure that it starts at the correct length.
 
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OlBlack, can you elaborate more on the adjustment rod behind it and starts at the correct length ? Not sure what you are referring to, sorry...
 
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Old Jul 6, 2023 | 11:38 AM
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OlBlack, can you elaborate more on the adjustment rod behind it and starts at the correct length ? Not sure what you are referring to, sorry...
He's referring to the push rod from booster into master cylinder.




 
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Old Jul 6, 2023 | 01:59 PM
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Originally Posted by tomkins
OlBlack, can you elaborate more on the adjustment rod behind it and starts at the correct length ? Not sure what you are referring to, sorry...
You shouldn't need to adjust that.
 
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Old Jul 16, 2023 | 09:29 PM
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Attempted bench bleed and had moderate success. When I go super slow pushed all the way in, no bubbles. If I go quick and only a 1/2-1 inch in and out, I get bubbles in the small port. I have been doing this for the past 30 minutes with no change. Thoughts ?

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Why not just pick up a new one, bench bleed that one and install it..
 
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Attempted bench bleed and had moderate success. When I go super slow pushed all the way in, no bubbles. If I go quick and only a 1/2-1 inch in and out, I get bubbles in the small port. I have been doing this for the past 30 minutes with no change. Thoughts ?

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First of all, slow steady pumps are best for any brake bleeding pumps. Long and slow steady strokes are always way better than short quick jabs .Short quick pumps or jabs will cause foaming. Why you don't shake brake fluid in a bottle just before use.
 
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