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Old May 4, 2023 | 10:40 AM
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Here is information about the PCV and how it works which will give you better understanding about your system.

The Basics of Positive Crankcase Ventilation (PCV)
 
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Old May 5, 2023 | 12:57 AM
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So tinkered a but last night, got ut up to temp disconnected the iac and turned out the idle adjustment screw no change. Pulled and capped/plugged lines off of the vacuum tree one at a time, the pcv line when capped did drop the idle to 750 so I will pick up new pcv valve today. Question should the pcv allow air flow to the intake, basically having a bit of a hard time wrapping my brain around how it's supposed to function. Since it's under vacuum from the intake would it not always allow air to go from valve cover area to the intake since the poppet under vacuum will unseat?
It's normal for the rpm to drop 100-200 rpm when the pcv is capped. But you have another unmetered source of air leaking into the intake manifold somewhere. EGR system damaged?
 
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Old May 6, 2023 | 12:35 AM
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So I did check out the egr tonight the diaphragm is good and does gold vacuum, I had to go buy a vacuum tester the actual egr side is siezed shut tested with water needle does not move .
another question can someone explain the vacuum reservoir to me as I can not seem to get vacuum with my tester but shows no signs of leaks when I placed it under under and switched to pressure.

Also I can not get vacuum on the common solenoid line to the vacuum cannister

or the egr solenoid or the second air b solenoid key off or on

Is this normal?
 
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Old May 6, 2023 | 12:46 AM
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Also I have removed air pump system ,sealed holes in the head and capped solenoid ports that ran to air pump valves left the bottom ports all hooked up to common line to vacuum reservoir
 
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Old May 6, 2023 | 10:01 AM
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The reservoir usually has a port with a check valve that closes under low vacuum. So you have to have the supply line on that port. The HVAC circuit is set up the same way, except that the check valve is not integrated into the HVAC reservoir.

The EGR control solenoid acts like a small vacuum leak when not active so that circuit will not hold much vacuum with it still in the circuit.

You should just remove the vacuum lines to the AIR solenoids if you have otherwise deleted that system. Leave the solenoids hooked up electronically.
 
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Old May 6, 2023 | 01:04 PM
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Originally Posted by R&RFord
The reservoir usually has a port with a check valve that closes under low vacuum. So you have to have the supply line on that port. The HVAC circuit is set up the same way, except that the check valve is not integrated into the HVAC reservoir.

The EGR control solenoid acts like a small vacuum leak when not active so that circuit will not hold much vacuum with it still in the circuit.

You should just remove the vacuum lines to the AIR solenoids if you have otherwise deleted that system. Leave the solenoids hooked up electronically.
first thanks for helpinv me out with this, been driving ne mental. Ok so i will eliminate all vac lines running to air solenoids including egr since it is not doing anything and I don't really want it to work.

Also forgot to mention after i got to operation temp by idleing it was about 300-400 rpm high (1000rpm) i took ut for a test run and the idle jumped to 1300-1400rpm at idle

I also reset the tps checked that the butterfly valve where not being held open and reset the idle set screw

Iac % aFter initial startup is up to 60% then settles on 16%
timing on initial start will advance to 25 then settle settle according to ob2 scanner data diplay
 
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Old May 6, 2023 | 06:52 PM
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Originally Posted by Lt96
Also forgot to mention after i got to operation temp by idleing it was about 300-400 rpm high (1000rpm) i took ut for a test run and the idle jumped to 1300-1400rpm at idle

I also reset the tps checked that the butterfly valve where not being held open and reset the idle set screw.
To me, that sounds like the throttle body is worn and binding up.
 
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Old May 7, 2023 | 08:15 AM
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If you cannot adjust the idle down with the IAC disconnected then you are still fighting a vacuum leak or the throttle body is worn out.

FYI there is no magical TPS value other than keeping it less than 1V at idle. Every time you put the key in the run position the computer looks at the TPS value right then and uses that as the idle reference for that drive cycle.
 
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Old May 7, 2023 | 03:16 PM
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Originally Posted by Lt96
10° advanced timing
Assuming this is with the SPOUT out. If not, remove the SPOUT and set it to 10

EDIT: What condition is your oil cap in?
 
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Old May 7, 2023 | 05:35 PM
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Re-read the thread. Your truck being a 96 it should be MAF, OBDII system. Is this correct?
 
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Old May 7, 2023 | 05:52 PM
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Originally Posted by R&RFord
Re-read the thread. Your truck being a 96 it should be MAF, OBDII system. Is this correct?
It could be MAF without being ODBII. The ECU I am using is a 95 MAF, but yes 96 should be ODBII

EDIT: Even if it is ODBII troubleshooting is pretty much the same.
 
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Old May 7, 2023 | 06:37 PM
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Originally Posted by R&RFord
Re-read the thread. Your truck being a 96 it should be MAF, OBDII system. Is this correct?
Yes it is a 96 with the maf sensor cleaned that today, have checked the timing with spout out and it's on 10 degrees. With engine running bkocked off tb intake ports truck immediately died. Emilinated as much vacuum lines as possible. One line fro. Tree to vac side of reservoir other port on res goes to vmv valve . Rechecked everything i can think of , reset adaptive learning and will ha e to put a per.it on the truck and take it for a drive and fi gers crossed its good will update after driving for a day
 
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Old May 7, 2023 | 07:05 PM
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Since it is MAF there should not be a vacuum line on the MAP sensor as it used to measure atmospheric pressure. In case that got messed up somehow.

There should be no MAP/Baro sensor present.

I apologize for putting a rock on the train tracks.
 
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Old May 7, 2023 | 08:22 PM
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No BARO sensor on a MAF F-series truck.
 
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Old May 7, 2023 | 08:41 PM
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What about the vacuum line to the brake booster?
 
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