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Why so many threads? Well, because people generally are not very smart... Caster has always been the main issue. It was a much larger issue before changes were made. It has always been EASY to fix but the internet comes up with so many snake oil "cures" it takes 454 threads to figure out you just need to dial in more caster with your front lift. It has been this way for ever with solid axle trucks. It certainly isn't enough incentive for me to drive a GM. My 900 lb snow plow would likely make short work of a GM IFS compared to how long components last for me on a D60. I know a guy whole blew apart a CV joint running tire chains in a place where I have been running them on Fords for years without issue. Everybody's experiences are different, GM's are super popular in the midwest flatlands. When I show up to snowmobile in the mountains with my buddies in the trades, the lots is FULL of super duty Fords. Trucks that run back and forth over the mtn passes daily. GM's are pretty rare around here. I think I know why, you think you know better, who really cares?
wait a minute. so 2* more caster and the mountain of dw threads wouldnt of existed ? your calling ford engineers blumbering baffoons if i understand correct.
how could they over looked something so simple lol
wait a minute. so 2* more caster and the mountain of dw threads wouldnt of existed ? your calling ford engineers blumbering baffoons if i understand correct.
how could they over looked something so simple lol
They fixed it with new radius arms in 2023. Why do assume the ford engineers get what they want? You are putting words in my mouth... I would say Ford corporate is FULL of blumbering baffoons that can be blamed well ahead of the engineers.
Yes, fix the caster, fix the problem, it really was that simple all along
They fixed it with new radius arms in 2023. Why do assume the ford engineers get what they want? You are putting words in my mouth... I would say Ford corporate is FULL of blumbering baffoons that can be blamed well ahead of the engineers.
Yes, fix the caster, fix the problem, it really was that simple all along
how do you know the new arms are any more expensive to manufacture than the old ones ? now your wanting to blame some bean counter. and maybe the dw isnt fixed yet. until its extremely rare ,like on the 14+ ram , i wouldnt call those new arms a success
You are suffering from a condition that’s called “DEATH WOBBLE DENIAL”. There are currently 454 death wobble threads on the SD forums, it’s a epidemic.
So if SD solid front axles are so tough why is there so much talk about death wobble on here?
Lol... I don't think you have actually read any of my posts, but I have read yours, and all you are determined to do is to tell everyone how bad solid front axles are.
And I hate to "brake" it to you, but this is not a thread about DW. Where did the OP say they had DW???
It appears that you are the one in denial. But carry on, because I know you will anyway.
I am hearing Ford has made some changes to address the 'Death Wobble' issue. Supposedly the track bar is longer and at less of an angle. Joints stronger too. Can anyone verify?
Originally Posted by chadstickpoindexter
Lol... I don't think you have actually read any of my posts, but I have read yours, and all you are determined to do is to tell everyone how bad solid front axles are.
And I hate to "brake" it to you, but this is not a thread about DW. Where did the OP say they had DW???
It appears that you are the one in denial. But carry on, because I know you will anyway.
You read all of my posts, did you read the first sentence of the OP’s post?
You read all of my posts, did you read the first sentence of the OP’s post?
I sure did. Obviously you didn't though... show me where he said he had DW. You can't, because he doesn't. Not even in the post you quoted. And just like all the rest of my posts here, I stated that I haven't really seen any threads in the last couple of years about folks that actually had DW. Sure, there are threads talking about front end problems, and like mentioned, it's usually from folks that lift their trucks way up and mess up their front ends doing so, but folks aren't reporting actual DW left and right like they must have been years ago. You are so focused on telling everyone how bad solid axles are and how good IFS is that you aren't even contributing to this thread.
I have hundred of thousands of miles on solid axle front ends in all of this century and a chunk of the last, and have yet to experience death wobble a single time. But if I do, I know it is not a mystery to solve. So, no, I am not living in any kind of fear of death wobble. Others are free to do so.
I sure did. Obviously you didn't though... show me where he said he had DW. You can't, because he doesn't. Not even in the post you quoted. And just like all the rest of my posts here, I stated that I haven't really seen any threads in the last couple of years about folks that actually had DW. Sure, there are threads talking about front end problems, and like mentioned, it's usually from folks that lift their trucks way up and mess up their front ends doing so, but folks aren't reporting actual DW left and right like they must have been years ago. You are so focused on telling everyone how bad solid axles are and how good IFS is that you aren't even contributing to this thread.
I never said he did. Do you have reading comprehension issues?
how do you know the new arms are any more expensive to manufacture than the old ones ? now your wanting to blame some bean counter. and maybe the dw isnt fixed yet. until its extremely rare ,like on the 14+ ram , i wouldnt call those new arms a success
If I were you I would continue to assume the worst and deny the obvious fix. Seems to be keeping you entertained thus far.
I am hearing Ford has made some changes to address the 'Death Wobble' issue. Supposedly the track bar is longer and at less of an angle. Joints stronger too. Can anyone verify?
I can't say much about the 23's but this is what i found from research and experience. Before i purchased my 17' when i was doing research on 11-16' trucks i rarely seen posts across a couple forums on actual examples of dw. Shortly into 17' I started to see more posts pop up and this continued for several years. I've only seen one report of dw in 20' + trucks. I think whatever they did on 20' trucks helped the problem. Lack of positive caster and front end parts that aren't robust enough are what I'd blame for dw. There where multiple technical service bulletins put out in 18' and 19' by ford for dw. I had full blown dw in my 17' f250. I think it was more prevalent in 17-19' trucks than what many people would consider reasonable but still not super widespread. For 20+ trucks it appears dw is going to be very unlikely otherwise we would see more people complaining of actual failures by now. I think it's too early to tell for 23' trucks for sure but they appear to be similar ride hieght and suspension to the 20-22' trucks so that's a good sign in my book.
I am hearing Ford has made some changes to address the 'Death Wobble' issue. Supposedly the track bar is longer and at less of an angle. Joints stronger too. Can anyone verify?
The rare instances of front end oscillation was caused by the raised front end of the 2017-2019 SD. Less caster was the result and some people experienced DW. 2020+ trucks had the lower ride height and more caster and very few, if any of those trucks had issues.
2023 looks to have changed the radius arm position to probably reduce steering feedback and increase ride quality.
If I were you I would continue to assume the worst and deny the obvious fix. Seems to be keeping you entertained thus far.
He has to do that because it takes his mind off of the plastic shift actuators and welded up adjustment nuts on his drag link that those "blumbering buffoon" Ram engineers came up with.
Here he is bitching about Ford's on the Ram site. It appears he can't get the Ford Super Duty out of his head.
He has to do that because it takes his mind off of the plastic shift actuators and welded up adjustment nuts on his drag link that those "blumbering buffoon" Ram engineers came up with.
Here he is bitching about Ford's on the Ram site. It appears he can't get the Ford Super Duty out of his head.
I don’t know about where anyone else is from but there’s a reason most commercial uses of pickup trucks choose Ford everywhere I look. So if the people who use them the hardest choose ford I must not be able to figure out why. Generally companies/fleets are not choosing something that doesn’t withstand abuse.
I’m not saying there isn’t other considerations for a fleet truck but I can say they wouldn’t pick Ford if “the only one with lemons was ford” lol.
One thing I don’t see much of at all is GM-built trucks getting used. Some Ram thrown in the mix but really it’s a lot of Ford.
All 3 have their issues but I wouldn’t say either is obscenely worse than the next. If I had to pick a truck to hard use it’s in the following order: 1)Ford 2)Ram 3)GM.
Not to mention the GM trucks are interesting looking to say the least. Ford & Ram are a toss-up in the looks department as I like both.
There is a two lane highway that connects Montrose CO, where the people live and Telluride CO where only REALLY special people live. The regular people make the hour and a half each way (on dry roads) over a 10k mtn pass and lots of steep winding narrow roads. There is a two hour long conga line of trades peoples trucks on this road twice a day. Thousands make the commute. 70% Ford, 20% Ram 10% GM is about the split. We use some fairly knarly forest service roads in the winter to access back country snowmobiling. 90% Fords in that parking lot. Out of town kid shows up in a Range Rover, looks at the line of new super dutys and comments to my buddy that he feels out of place without an F250. My buddy the robot engineer ('19 CCLB Platinum) tells him we like to have trucks we know are going to make it up that road in 2 feet of snow. My experience, and clearly that of a lot of others in my area, the mountains of SW Colorado, seems to be that the SD is a solid choice.
Heading up to play, after spending the previous day plowing for 10 hours... I have tried the other brands. I know what I like.
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