2023 4X4 Front Suspension Changes?
Mountain Pass
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CJC offroad did a Carli lift on their 2023 using the existing '17-'22 lift parts.
The only parts that did not fit are the radius arms. The mounting position on the axle has changed. That tells me me that the suspension is nearly the same. That's not to say that there couldn't be some geometry changes that help mitigate DW.
The only parts that did not fit are the radius arms. The mounting position on the axle has changed. That tells me me that the suspension is nearly the same. That's not to say that there couldn't be some geometry changes that help mitigate DW.
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dw isnt just talk. its a thing. one member chronicled all or most of the threads at that time (perhaps 2yr ago ?) and there was something like 68 threads.
the reason you dont hear much of it today could be for several reason. was it 2yr ago the trucks were lowered which may of helped. theres been 3 or so steering damper revisions which may of helped. front end parts suppliers may have changed which could of helped
the reason you dont hear much of it today could be for several reason. was it 2yr ago the trucks were lowered which may of helped. theres been 3 or so steering damper revisions which may of helped. front end parts suppliers may have changed which could of helped
Cargo Master
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I had a ‘94 1/2 ton and a ‘04 3/4 ton that I put 115k miles on each. Both were used off pavement and never had any problems.
GM IFS are fine as long as you don’t abuse them and don’t run super over sized tires.
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I was smart enough to read the pattern of death wobble disappearing on newer trucks and threads like this one are the only thing keeping the fear around by continuing to talk about it like it's still a relevant issue.
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Lots of GM and Toyota IFS death wobble videos on YouTube.
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That's the thing... where have those threads been? I haven't seen them.
Cargo Master
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You are suffering from a condition that’s called “DEATH WOBBLE DENIAL”. There are currently 454 death wobble threads on the SD forums, it’s a epidemic.
So if SD solid front axles are so tough why is there so much talk about death wobble on here?
Cargo Master
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From: Ridgway, CO
Why so many threads? Well, because people generally are not very smart... Caster has always been the main issue. It was a much larger issue before changes were made. It has always been EASY to fix but the internet comes up with so many snake oil "cures" it takes 454 threads to figure out you just need to dial in more caster with your front lift. It has been this way for ever with solid axle trucks. It certainly isn't enough incentive for me to drive a GM. My 900 lb snow plow would likely make short work of a GM IFS compared to how long components last for me on a D60. I know a guy whole blew apart a CV joint running tire chains in a place where I have been running them on Fords for years without issue. Everybody's experiences are different, GM's are super popular in the midwest flatlands. When I show up to snowmobile in the mountains with my buddies in the trades, the lots is FULL of super duty Fords. Trucks that run back and forth over the mtn passes daily. GM's are pretty rare around here. I think I know why, you think you know better, who really cares?
Fleet Mechanic
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From: Phelan CA
Hate to brake it to you but you’re on one now.
You are suffering from a condition that’s called “DEATH WOBBLE DENIAL”. There are currently 454 death wobble threads on the SD forums, it’s a epidemic.
So if SD solid front axles are so tough why is there so much talk about death wobble on here?
You are suffering from a condition that’s called “DEATH WOBBLE DENIAL”. There are currently 454 death wobble threads on the SD forums, it’s a epidemic.
So if SD solid front axles are so tough why is there so much talk about death wobble on here?
Tell me how many trucks were sold and of that how many have death wobble, an issue that plagues every vehicle.
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I wasn't saying that greasing my u joints does anything to prevent DW, but more of a response to the comment above my original comment. And to be clear, I also wasn't saying that the upgraded steering stabilizer is preventing it either. But stabilizers usually tend to get brought up in threads discussing DW.
Maybe I'm wrong, but I just haven't really seen any reports of DW, at least around here. Sure, I haven't read all the threads, but it seems to me like the earlier models may have had more issues with DW than the newer models do... Sure, there are lots of YT videos about DW, but it seems to be talked about more than actually happening. Kind of like the CP4's on the diesels.
Maybe I'm wrong, but I just haven't really seen any reports of DW, at least around here. Sure, I haven't read all the threads, but it seems to me like the earlier models may have had more issues with DW than the newer models do... Sure, there are lots of YT videos about DW, but it seems to be talked about more than actually happening. Kind of like the CP4's on the diesels.
