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Old Apr 13, 2023 | 06:33 AM
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So little back round first. I am new to this group, but have learned a lot already so thank you in advance for all the support. I have a 1991 ford f350 dually 7.3 idi with a banks turbo kit (installed before I owned it.) A brand new transmission, radiator, batteries, starter, mlps, FIPL Glow plugs, and glow plug controller (wired to a button). Doesn't matter the temperature outside we have even been up to 90° F the truck has a problem starting if I don't hold the glow plugs on for a minimum of 10 seconds and will smoke white until completely warm( not billowing clouds as I have read about when it burns coolant but at definitely a good amount) after she warms up it stops smoking and can be turned off and on again very easy. I don't know how the power should feel when I WOT as it didn't run when I bought it for a measley $1200 so I don't have any information on that. Any help would be appreciated.
 
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Old Apr 13, 2023 | 09:11 AM
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how many miles on it?
it may just be a little tired.
what brand of "new glow plugs" were put in?
most all aftermarket glow plugs burn out after a few cycles.
motorcraft ZD-9 plugs are the only ones that work in these engines.
 
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Old Apr 13, 2023 | 09:43 AM
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They are the motorcraft ZD-9 which I bought based on recommendations from other threads. The mileage is unknown. based on condition I would guess anywhere between 200,000-350,000 miles. She runs quite smooth with little vibration.
 
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Old Apr 13, 2023 | 10:28 AM
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If she starts when warm that's a good sign. I wouldn't call 10 seconds of glow plug excessive. The glow plugs haven't been put on a manual switch, have they?
 
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Old Apr 13, 2023 | 10:43 AM
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It is wired to a manual switch. Bought it like that.
 
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Old Apr 13, 2023 | 12:17 PM
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normal wait to start time is 10 to 15 seconds, than pulse every second or so for another 30-60 seconds to keep the plugs warm to help the engine burn cleaner.
real cold can see the plugs lit for 20 seconds.
 
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Old Apr 13, 2023 | 01:23 PM
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Any thoughts on why the truck won't start in 80° F though. And what I can do to fix it? Or is it normal to have to use the glow plugs when it is that warm
 
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Old Apr 13, 2023 | 01:38 PM
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Any thoughts on why the truck won't start in 80° F though. And what I can do to fix it? Or is it normal to have to use the glow plugs when it is that warm
Are you sure its a glowplug problem, and not an air intrusion problem? Both can cause hard starts and smoke when cold.
 
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Old Apr 13, 2023 | 01:41 PM
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I have clear hoses on my returns but have not noticed any large amounts of air in the system or foaming.
 
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Old Apr 13, 2023 | 03:04 PM
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IDI or powerstroke should start at 60f with out glow plugs if compression is there

what is your cranking RPMs? a slow starter can make for hard starts
 
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Old Apr 13, 2023 | 04:27 PM
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glow plugs will work until engine temperature reaches around 110 degrees. then the controller will turn off.
 
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Old Apr 13, 2023 | 05:41 PM
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Have you removed the fuel filter after running around town? There shouldn't be any air in it. That's a sign of air intrusion. You might want to move those clear acrylic hoses to the fuel supply side too.
 
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So I have a electric fuel lift pump with a clear lower canister. It always has had roughly 10% air in it. Not sure if that is normal I have tried to bleed it through the shrader with no luck. Is that a sign of intrusion or is that normal.
 
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So I have a electric fuel lift pump with a clear lower canister. It always has had roughly 10% air in it. Not sure if that is normal I have tried to bleed it through the shrader with no luck. Is that a sign of intrusion or is that normal.
Those electric pumps are often more trouble then they're worth. Many of them leak air around the bowl or at the fittings. Im a proponent of a good quality (Motorcraft) mechanical fuel pump just like International intended.
In the morning, when your press the glow-plug button for 10 seconds and crank the engine, does the engine start immediately (less than 2 revolutions)?
 
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Old Apr 13, 2023 | 06:11 PM
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Originally Posted by Prototypemech
Those electric pumps are often more trouble then they're worth. Many of them leak air around the bowl or at the fittings. Im a proponent of a good quality (Motorcraft) mechanical fuel pump just like International intended.
In the morning, when your press the glow-plug button for 10 seconds and crank the engine, does the engine start immediately (less than 2 revolutions)?
yes it will start immediately after the glow plugs have warmed the system. But smokes until it is up to operating temperatures
 
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