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Old Apr 3, 2023 | 09:55 AM
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KZ RV used to be pretty good. I have a 2013 stonerige bought in 2012.

I had zero warranty issues the first year and seem to recall only one, a rear stabilizer the following year (If memory serves me right).

They too now are owned by thor.

Disclaimer: Had a 2011 first model that was a piece of crap, they bought it back and gave me the 2013 as a swap.
 
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Old Apr 3, 2023 | 10:10 AM
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99% of towable RVs are the same crap parts, slapped together in Elkhart County, Indiana by the same meth-addicted jugheads, using the cheapest crap they can find to hold it together for just a day longer than their stated warranty period. Don't kid yourself - 99% of them use the same stupid water heaters, electrical panels, frame and suspension components, electronics, etc. Lippert frames and chassis, Dexter axles and leaf springs, Coleman AC units, Suburban water heaters, Furrion appliances, etc. Everything on the inside is wood framing held together with staples and those famous Robertson square head screws. Go to ANY RV dealer and check the waitlist for RV repair. If you know the owner you might get an honest answer on how many are warranty claims on brand new units. Join a few RV forums and read the THOUSANDS of posts with people asking questions about how long it took to get warranty repairs done on their new RV or if anyone had this particular (insert very common quality control issue here) problem with their new RV. It's atrocious - the only reason they aren't bankrupt from warranty repairs and recalls are people don't drive them - they tow them and most only use them occasionally or seasonally.

Alpine - Thor Industries
Big Country - Thor Industries
Big Horn - Thor Industries
Keystone - Thor Industries
Landmark - Thor Industries
Montana - Thor Industries

Forest River, Thor Industries and Winnebago build 99% of the towables sold in the US. Different stickers, different names - same crap inside of them.

Can you tell I have repaired and upgraded a ton of RVs?
You forgot to mention that Lippert bought up most of those parts brands and now LCI owns damn near everything going into the Thor owned company products. Lippert makes their own axles too now. Lippert bought Schwintek and now the slide motors are ****. I remember people used to say Schwintek slides were better now they are just made in China trash like everything Lippert owns.
 
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Old Apr 3, 2023 | 12:19 PM
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This was my 5th fifth wheel and I’ve had my share of issues with them I fix most of the problems myself as it is out of warranty now amazing at the short cuts , and all of my rigs where heartland rvs . Comes down to quality control. And with over 15 years of rving I’ve talked to many campers with other brands and they have the same problems if not more on some . I just don’t like my rig sitting at a dealership for something I can fix myself. My new drw has 2600 miles on it now pulled the hills like it should like the ten speed so far .
After seeing the quality of my parents Heartland TT I wouldn't touch one with a 20 ft pole. Fridge issues, paneling falling off the wall, floor moved when I was walking on it (that was likely due to being a lite camper), which are just a few things that were wrong with it from day 1. Granted there are different levels of Heartland campers, but after the quality I saw with theirs they're not on the list of RV's to even consider.
 
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Old Apr 3, 2023 | 12:52 PM
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Another highly regarded RV brand is Outdoors RV, built in Eastern Oregon. They build their own chassis, and they’re heavy as heck. Major gripe on the internet is they don’t have a “1/2-ton towable” model. Definitely need a 250/2500 series or better for any of their trailers.

We bought a 2014 270DBHS about 2 years ago, and it’s held up great. A couple of cosmetic blemishes, but that’s it.
 
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Old Apr 3, 2023 | 01:06 PM
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Originally Posted by The Peddler
Another highly regarded RV brand is Outdoors RV, built in Eastern Oregon. They build their own chassis, and they’re heavy as heck. Major gripe on the internet is they don’t have a “1/2-ton towable” model. Definitely need a 250/2500 series or better for any of their trailers.

We bought a 2014 270DBHS about 2 years ago, and it’s held up great. A couple of cosmetic blemishes, but that’s it.
There is an Outdoors RV boondocking near me in AZ and the guy is by himself but towing it with a 2020 or newer silver F150 that matches the trailer pretty close. Just looking at the camper I didnt think it was that heavy but I didn't see it hooked up to the truck either.
 
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Old Apr 3, 2023 | 06:00 PM
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When you gotta move all your stuff all at once, all by yourself...


 
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Old Apr 3, 2023 | 06:05 PM
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When you gotta move all your stuff all at once, all by yourself...
He's about to have a real interesting conversation with that trooper!
 
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Old Apr 4, 2023 | 07:41 AM
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Originally Posted by OBS460
There is an Outdoors RV boondocking near me in AZ and the guy is by himself but towing it with a 2020 or newer silver F150 that matches the trailer pretty close. Just looking at the camper I didnt think it was that heavy but I didn't see it hooked up to the truck either.
ORV and Northwood build their own frames, and don't have the issues (cracking ) that Lippert frame have had. This is one of the things that make these beefy RV's heavier than most. That being said I have a 2022 ORV and I've had a few issues that I took care of myself. A couple of other issues ORV has been fantastic in helping me out with. They're even sending me parts so I can replace them myself rather having to take the rig to some dealer to sit there for months waiting for the repair I could likely do better myself.
 
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Old Apr 4, 2023 | 07:44 AM
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Originally Posted by The Peddler
Another highly regarded RV brand is Outdoors RV, built in Eastern Oregon. They build their own chassis, and they’re heavy as heck. Major gripe on the internet is they don’t have a “1/2-ton towable” model. Definitely need a 250/2500 series or better for any of their trailers.

We bought a 2014 270DBHS about 2 years ago, and it’s held up great. A couple of cosmetic blemishes, but that’s it.
I'm hauling a 29TRX and it's almost 10k empty. I went with a DRW F350 and glad I did. In high winds when I'm correcting the steering with a DRW. That's when I realize I'm glad I went with a DRW.
 
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Old Apr 4, 2023 | 01:51 PM
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Originally Posted by Johnny F2 fiddy
He's about to have a real interesting conversation with that trooper!
Gold stripe on blue pants. Looks like a Horseman (RCMP) to me.
 
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Old Apr 4, 2023 | 03:16 PM
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Originally Posted by last5oh_302
I'm hauling a 29TRX and it's almost 10k empty. I went with a DRW F350 and glad I did. In high winds when I'm correcting the steering with a DRW. That's when I realize I'm glad I went with a DRW.
It's nice to read of someone who gets it on this forum. Sure a SRW truck can do what a DRW does, but a DRW can do it better.
 
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Old Apr 4, 2023 | 05:01 PM
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Originally Posted by B-ManFX4
99% of towable RVs are the same crap parts, slapped together in Elkhart County, Indiana by the same meth-addicted jugheads, using the cheapest crap they can find to hold it together for just a day longer than their stated warranty period. Don't kid yourself - 99% of them use the same stupid water heaters, electrical panels, frame and suspension components, electronics, etc. Lippert frames and chassis, Dexter axles and leaf springs, Coleman AC units, Suburban water heaters, Furrion appliances, etc. Everything on the inside is wood framing held together with staples and those famous Robertson square head screws. Go to ANY RV dealer and check the waitlist for RV repair. If you know the owner you might get an honest answer on how many are warranty claims on brand new units. Join a few RV forums and read the THOUSANDS of posts with people asking questions about how long it took to get warranty repairs done on their new RV or if anyone had this particular (insert very common quality control issue here) problem with their new RV. It's atrocious - the only reason they aren't bankrupt from warranty repairs and recalls are people don't drive them - they tow them and most only use them occasionally or seasonally.

Alpine - Thor Industries
Big Country - Thor Industries
Big Horn - Thor Industries
Keystone - Thor Industries
Landmark - Thor Industries
Montana - Thor Industries

Forest River, Thor Industries and Winnebago build 99% of the towables sold in the US. Different stickers, different names - same crap inside of them.

Can you tell I have repaired and upgraded a ton of RVs?
Yeah, it's unfortunate how many people don't know this too. We ended up buying a Lance...thinking we were getting a quality product. Little did we know, the Lance of today (post-REV) is not the Lance that earned them their reputation. Have a 2021 2375 that's nice but definitely not as nice or well constructed as the ORV units I've seen. If doing it all over again, I'd go with ORV/AF/AS knowing what I know now. I wouldn't touch any other brand with a ten foot pole.
 
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Old Apr 4, 2023 | 05:46 PM
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Originally Posted by OBS460
There is an Outdoors RV boondocking near me in AZ and the guy is by himself but towing it with a 2020 or newer silver F150 that matches the trailer pretty close. Just looking at the camper I didnt think it was that heavy but I didn't see it hooked up to the truck either.
They're very heavy; that doesn't stop some people from towing them with half tons but they shouldn't. I've had two ORV's (both have been great) and my 21RBS had a tongue weight of 1,180 lbs and my 25RDS has a tongue weight of 1,275 lbs.....they aren't light.

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Old Apr 4, 2023 | 05:50 PM
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I bought a new ORV in 2020 and when we decided to upgrade sizes last year I researched them all again and bought another ORV (2022 25RDS). Both have been very good trailers though I'd caution that even the Northwoods products use the same HWT's, stoves, fridges, microwaves, furnaces, etc. etc. as everyone else......but at least you get a better frame with a better box on top.

With RV's it pays to be handy and be able to tackle minor repairs and maintenance yourself.

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Old Apr 4, 2023 | 07:25 PM
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How did this thread get to be about how crappy most RV trailers are built these days???
 
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