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Old Feb 19, 2023 | 05:35 PM
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So I just recently spoke with 1023 diesel and I'm interested with their state 1 package (stage 1 injectors, hydra chip, stage 1 kc turbo). I currently have s&b cold air intake, 3" down, bellowed uppies, ebv delete on my CCLB with 260k. What kind of increased horsepower should I see roughly? Anybody have done this? My hpop puts out 2700psi WOT and I have the stock fuel system which these two items will need to be upgraded in the future. 1023 Diesel stated that I should only see 220hp total. Seemed low but they are the experts and would know more than I. That number is disappointing for spending 3k. Any similar experiences?
 
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Old Feb 19, 2023 | 06:02 PM
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Im pretty sure 97 Powerstroke came out of the box with 225HP. So with injectors and a tune you are losing 5hp. Although Im sure this a wheel vs crank discrepancy.
 
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Old Feb 19, 2023 | 06:48 PM
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You sure he didn't say 320 WHP? Are stage 1's 160/0 injectors or something different? If it's 160/0 those are good for 320-340 HP to the wheels from what I've read and by the feel of the *** Dyno.
 
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Old Feb 19, 2023 | 06:54 PM
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1023 tuning and FFD injectors are the two worst choices.
 
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Old Feb 19, 2023 | 06:55 PM
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I would go larger injectors, but that is me. You can always turn down hybrids like mine. 205/30s

220rwhp uncorked on a hot tune with 90cc sticks sounds about right.
 
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Old Feb 19, 2023 | 06:56 PM
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Well, when he said 220, I told him having 220 HP is disappointing. He stated that these trucks really only puts out 170 hp completely stock. Unless he meant 220 plus the 170 but I doubt it. I tried to clarify with him during the conversation. They did say that the hpop and stock fuel system was a limiting factor which I understand.
 
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Old Feb 19, 2023 | 07:06 PM
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During the conversation I was not sure if I should go stage 1 or 1.5. but he was stating that the difference between the 2 injectors would be so minimal that unless running a hot tune with WOT would I notice a difference. I was thinking 1.5's to have a little extra power in the future for upgrades. I didn't want to do anything beyond because I not doing head studs or any other serious retrofitting to the motor.
Bitterroot; He also said that 1023 doesn't do tuning as of now. What you mean 1023 tuning with FFD are not good choices?
 
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Old Feb 19, 2023 | 07:07 PM
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Very poor quality with lots of complaints.
 
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Old Feb 19, 2023 | 07:08 PM
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Hitman; he stated 220hp with stage 1 or 1.5's with a tuner and stage 1 kc turbo. Just seems very low
 
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Old Feb 19, 2023 | 07:23 PM
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So Bitteroot's 160/30 injectors are around $1550?
 
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Old Feb 19, 2023 | 07:52 PM
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1023 probably means Rear Wheel HP, stock 97s I think are 225 at the crank… figure 15-20% driveline loss.

Nuther notion as I recall 2.3 HP per CC of injector size is = to crank HP. So my 97 ZF-5 with 205/30 injectors looks something like this 205x2.3 = 471 x.85 for D line loss = 400 RWHP. Rough and dirty. As my injectors are 30% overs stock nozzles might be a little more power pending programming and HPOP pressures.
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I that with upgraded fuel system and hpop?
 
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Old Feb 19, 2023 | 08:03 PM
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So you agree that 1 or 1.5 injectors, kc stage 1 turbo and hydra tuner would give only a 45 HP increase?
 
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Old Feb 19, 2023 | 08:06 PM
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Your equation would mean 2.3 x 160 = 368. That's more like it. I'd hate to spend the money and see only 220 at thee rear wheels
 
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Old Feb 19, 2023 | 09:53 PM
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220 is lousy wheel hp. I did 200 on stock 320k stixs and stock turbo.
Rosewood 160 stage ones ,efuel, t500 and be done.. it will make enough egt to be dangerous
 
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