Lightning sticker "shock"
Mountain Pass
Joined: Aug 2020
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From: Midland, TX
I think it just shows how dishonest some dealers can be. If I were you, I sure as hell would not consider buying anything from them in the future. I have been told that the dealers have been more profitable in the last 2 years than ever before. This due to the amount of used vehicle sales. The $$ is mostly made in Service and Parts. I can understand selling at sticker.... But this is a joke.
Fleet Mechanic
Joined: Jan 2022
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Yup, this EV thing isn't going away whether anyone likes it or not. Eventually they'll be worth it, however we're pretty far off from that, esp for people doing any kind of towing....
Mountain Pass
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EV is not sustainable. If you have done any research on battery technology and development thereof, the possibilities just don't exist. Unless matter antimatter reactors become reality, the storage, delivery, and replenishment of angry pixies will never offset the power output, low cost, short fuel replenishment time, and ease of use that combustion provides.
Mountain Pass
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EV is not sustainable. If you have done any research on battery technology and development thereof, the possibilities just don't exist. Unless matter antimatter reactors become reality, the storage, delivery, and replenishment of angry pixies will never offset the power output, low cost, short fuel replenishment time, and ease of use that combustion provides.
The last thing I want to do is get in a pissing match about EV's and I agree there are challenges but disagree that they are insurmountable. I will say that I really enjoy not paying $5+ a gallon for day-to-day transportation fuel.
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Lead Driver
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From: NY/Canada border
That's kind of what I think. Someday maybe the technology will be there to make EV more practical. But today is not that day and having politicians shove EV down our throats is not the way to achieve the goal.
Mountain Pass
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Not dishonest, but certainly exploitative. I would take a hard pass, now and in the future, with any dealer doing that kind of markup. That's just me.
Mountain Pass
Joined: Aug 2020
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From: Midland, TX
exploit = underhanded, unfair, taking advantage. No one is forced to buy at that price. Only someone that agrees with that price will buy. It’s a free market.
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Mountain Pass
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I'm not saying certain dealers are doing anything dishonest or even unfair, but they are doing something that will cause me to avoid ever doing business with them. It's a free market for me too.
Cross-Country
Joined: Apr 2022
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From: South Holland Ill
Around where I live at all the Ford dealers have a 20,000 market adjustment on all the Super Dutys in dealer stock! Its rediculous but there are people that are paying it.When I picked up my truck in February the dealer keep telling me how much more they could get for the truck if I didn`t take it.The only way to get away from it is to order and wait.
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Lead Driver
Joined: Oct 2014
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From: NY/Canada border
Therein lies the problem. If people left these trucks on the lot for months on end, the gouging would stop. But if people are willing to be taken advantage of, the madness will continue.
Unfortunately some are just over a barrel and in desperate need of trucks for business, RV living or whatever other purpose and they're forced to deal with this.
Unfortunately some are just over a barrel and in desperate need of trucks for business, RV living or whatever other purpose and they're forced to deal with this.
Logistics Pro
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From: Central KY
Let's say they didn't have mark-up on it at all. Let's say you could walk in there and buy it for $74k. And there are identically equipped ICE trucks sitting next to it on the lot for $54k. Why on earth would you buy the Lightning? Do people have any idea how much gasoline you can purchase with $20,000? AND you get a more capable and practical truck. It's just baffling to me that automakers are taking this push toward EV hook, line, and sinker. Hopefully consumers will be smart enough to realize it's a terrible idea, but then again....
Mountain Pass
Joined: May 2008
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From: SoCal
Ford dealers greed are probably killing the demand. I know there's a limited supply, but I saw this back in the day with the Thunderbird reboot. Just about every dealer had outrageous markups, and eventually the Thunderbird's sold for much less than asking prices, and it killed the demand. As long as these dealers are franchised and not part of the factory group this will most likely continue, and that will kill the desire, not to mention the crazy factory price increases.
FTE Community Team
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From: Florida
We love our F-350s but for daily driving I can and do drive my Nissan Leaf EV 200 miles for the cost of one gallon of diesel. In 6 years of EV ownership I’ve only charged at a public charging station once. Every other charge was at home overnight in our garage while I sleep.
An EV truck is practical except for towing where range is 1/2 compared to unloaded and current cost to buy.
I’ve put 75,000 miles on EVs since 2015. My average cost to feed it is 2-1/2 cents/mile. That includes electricity and all maintenance. My F-350 diesel costs me 30 cents/mile or 12 TIMES MORE/mile for fuel, oil changes and DEF.. One could easily argue that that’s not practical.
I just bought a new 2023 Nissan Leaf for least than 1/2 the cost of my F-350. I traded in our 2020 Leaf on it and after credits it cost me $600 out of pocket.
Trailering
Joined: Dec 2009
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Sticker Shock
This is nuts. Don't know where you are but the dealers in my area won't post the window stickers on their websites. Now it's "call for price" or "email for price".
Going to try this. Get two friends and I to go to the dealer to see the same truck at different times and days and see what they get for a price. These crooks will size you up by your appearance and throw a price at you. Will probably get 3 different prices. Can't wait for the results.
Going to try this. Get two friends and I to go to the dealer to see the same truck at different times and days and see what they get for a price. These crooks will size you up by your appearance and throw a price at you. Will probably get 3 different prices. Can't wait for the results.