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Old Oct 12, 2022 | 10:13 AM
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Just install the springs you bought with a shorter spring block.
That is where I think I am headed but was curious if anyone else had already tried something similar.
 
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Old Oct 12, 2022 | 10:23 AM
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Originally Posted by lottery_loser
Right now my bumps too to axle heights are the same as what Carli says a stock F350 has but I don’t know if the mean with the 2 main and one overload leaf like I have or with the 4 leaf and one bottom over load.

I bought the the bottom half of a low mile F350 spring pack and let him keep the brackets and top overload because he is working on the ride of his Tremor and I will never pull anything heavy enough to require them. For the pair it was $100 so I figured it wasn’t a horrible deal.



I have this currently.

Bottom 4 plus overload to work with.
Now you have me confused, see if I'm following you. The 350 leaf pack, unmolested is 5 total leafs, 3 mains and a top and bottom overload. Like in the photo above. The Tremor/350 pack you have is 4 total leafs, no top overload because the seller kept it, meaning 3 main leafs and bottom overload, correct? The 250 has 2 main leafs and a bottom overload. So how do you come up with almost 2" difference in pack thickness from one additional main leaf?
 
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Old Oct 12, 2022 | 05:09 PM
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Originally Posted by 4wd6.7L
Now you have me confused, see if I'm following you. The 350 leaf pack, unmolested is 5 total leafs, 3 mains and a top and bottom overload. Like in the photo above. The Tremor/350 pack you have is 4 total leafs, no top overload because the seller kept it, meaning 3 main leafs and bottom overload, correct? The 250 has 2 main leafs and a bottom overload. So how do you come up with almost 2" difference in pack thickness from one additional main leaf?
By using a tape measure. The actual thickness of the spring pack is approximately 2 inches taller than that of the other. The actual thickness of the pack will determine how much higher the bed sits because it will go on top of the existing 4 inch block. If it was axle over spring it would result in the truck being 2 inches lower than the current setup. I will figure it out.
 
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Old Oct 12, 2022 | 05:34 PM
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Originally Posted by lottery_loser
By using a tape measure. The actual thickness of the spring pack is approximately 2 inches taller than that of the other. The actual thickness of the pack will determine how much higher the bed sits because it will go on top of the existing 4 inch block. If it was axle over spring it would result in the truck being 2 inches lower than the current setup. I will figure it out.
Where did the 4" block come from? The OEM block is 3.25" (when measured from the rear). You still haven't answered any questions instead trying to teach me something that I am already fully aware of. Pictures of the actual spring pack you baught would be great, including where you are measuring on the Tremor pack. You stated that the seller kept the top overload, that leaves 4 springs in total. Your F-250 pack has 3 springs total, how does that 1 extra spring equal almost 2"?

I can post Fords F-250 and F-350 bed hieght numbers, although it doesn't sound like those numbers would mean anything to you since they are nearly identical.
 
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Old Oct 12, 2022 | 06:23 PM
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Ask him for his blocks too. Should be the same as a 17-19 f350 and I think those are the same as the 17-19 f250 (but could be wrong). I think the springs are designed for the same blocks.
 
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Old Oct 12, 2022 | 09:38 PM
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Originally Posted by 4wd6.7L
Where did the 4" block come from? The OEM block is 3.25" (when measured from the rear). You still haven't answered any questions instead trying to teach me something that I am already fully aware of. Pictures of the actual spring pack you baught would be great, including where you are measuring on the Tremor pack. You stated that the seller kept the top overload, that leaves 4 springs in total. Your F-250 pack has 3 springs total, how does that 1 extra spring equal almost 2"?

I can post Fords F-250 and F-350 bed hieght numbers, although it doesn't sound like those numbers would mean anything to you since they are nearly identical.
Here is a picture of the actual springs, in my possession, on my garage floor. As stated there are 5 springs in the pack, 4 plus an overload spring in the bottom. I currently have 2 leaves plus a large overload for 3 springs total on my truck.

I do apologize for getting the height of the block wrong I guess my memory was a bit off from when I quickly threw a tape measure on them the other night. I will get some pictures of the springs on my truck with a tape measure as well as the ones I purchased tomorrow as long as I get home from work before dark.





 
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Old Oct 12, 2022 | 09:54 PM
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Originally Posted by lottery_loser
Here is a picture of the actual springs, in my possession, on my garage floor. As stated there are 5 springs in the pack, 4 plus an overload spring in the bottom. I currently have 2 leaves plus a large overload for 3 springs total on my truck.

I do apologize for getting the height of the block wrong I guess my memory was a bit off from when I quickly threw a tape measure on them the other night. I will get some pictures of the springs on my truck with a tape measure as well as the ones I purchased tomorrow as long as I get home from work before dark.



Ok, so that clears up my confusion. They have been modified some. Either an add a leaf or, could that be the top overload relocated to the bottom of the main leafs? Either way, that 4th main leaf above the overload was added by someone, so your guess is as good as anybody's as to how much lift they will provide. From the factory the 17-22 F-350 and 250/350 Tremor leaf pack would consist of 3 mains, bottom overload and top auxiliary leaf (top overload).

A photo of your F-250 leaf pack isn't necessary, I have one sitting here with the same standard 3 leaf pack.
 
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Old Oct 13, 2022 | 08:49 AM
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Wow, those do look different. I wonder if they assembled them wrong by accident at the factory? That helper spring should be above the bundled leaf pack. You said you let him keep the top spring, but if he kept one then he had 6 on his set up... somethings not right about that. I have the 5 spring leaf pack on my truck. It consists of a thicker, bottom overload spring, then 3 leafs bound together, and then a single helper spring resting on top (just like the second photo in post #17). Mine is not a Tremor, but from the photos I Googled the leaf packs on the Tremor's look the same as on mine. You have all 5 leaf springs there in your garage, they just need to be reassembled in the correct order.


 
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Old Oct 13, 2022 | 09:07 AM
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pmf has different size blocks to offset the gain in height.
 
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Old Oct 13, 2022 | 09:22 AM
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Originally Posted by chadstickpoindexter
Wow, those do look different. I wonder if they assembled them wrong by accident at the factory? That helper spring should be above the bundled leaf pack. You said you let him keep the top spring, but if he kept one then he had 6 on his set up... somethings not right about that. I have the 5 spring leaf pack on my truck. It consists of a thicker, bottom overload spring, then 3 leafs bound together, and then a single helper spring resting on top (just like the second photo in post #17). Mine is not a Tremor, but from the photos I Googled the leaf packs on the Tremor's look the same as on mine. You have all 5 leaf springs there in your garage, they just need to be reassembled in the correct order.

Your setup is what I’m going to swap out my 3 leaf pack to! Hoping prices will come down on these parts, at some point.
 
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Old Oct 13, 2022 | 09:50 AM
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The top leaf is the Main leaf with the Eye's, the next three leafs are standard leaf's including the Clip leaf, The bottom leaf is called a Jack Plate. (for when the standard leafs are loaded heavy to keep from bottoming out) Looks like the fourth leaf is a add a leaf, but also looks like some one set the arch in the 4th leaf pretty good, Also there is no nylon linear at the tip to prevent squeaking down the road, Usually the bottom leaf before the Jack plate is the Clip leaf. He kept the Helper leaf that would go on top of the pack . I owned a Spring & Alignment shop for 27 years. If the trucks sit's ok then your good to go.(Rougher Ride for sure) If it sits to high cary them in and have them Rearch the springs off the truck would only be a couple bucks. Take your measurements with you they can Dearch to the height you want if there experienced. there are plenty of Spring shops around. Rocky Mount is a Creditable Spring Shop. I'm in Va but we all know each other.

https://www.rockymountainspring.com/...m-fabrication/
 
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Old Oct 13, 2022 | 12:50 PM
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I don't think the initial deflection rate is much different between the various 250/350 spring configurations. My guess is that your leveled truck is going to sag either way.
 
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Old Oct 13, 2022 | 06:01 PM
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Ok just got home from work and tried to get a picture with a tape measure on my current springs and of the new pack. Also from looking at a bit today I really think I have a normal pack minus the top overload setup. Original pack is right at 2 inches thick, hard to see with tire in the way, and new *******ized pack is 3 1/8. I guess they are way closer than I thought.

Thanks again for the ideas.


Current spring pack about 2 inches.

New pack is at 3 1/8.
 
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Old Oct 13, 2022 | 06:10 PM
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Originally Posted by lottery_loser
Also from looking at a bit today I really think I have a normal pack minus the top overload setup.
Nope, there is no SRW configuration, 17-22, that comes like that. Yes the top 3 and bottom over load are normal, but that 4th leaf from the top does not belong there, it was added, I assume by the previous owner. And I still suspect it was the top auxiliary leaf that was repurposed to be an add a leaf.

Look around for yourself, photos of F-350 and Tremor suspension are not hard to find. You won't find one with a leaf pack configured like that from the factory.
 
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Old Oct 13, 2022 | 07:57 PM
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Who the hell knows? If it is a home brew then they went through a lot of trouble to set it up. General spring has a set listed for 17-22 trucks that matches what I have. I guess time will tell what I do with these


 
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