Not by much mind you but yeah, the lil F 150e outpulls the smoker.

 

Childish game that proves nothing in the real world or real use applications. This is only one example of chest pounding behavior that has led to trucks being demonized by politicians and the general public.

Videos and documentation like we are seeing from Tofan and Mark and Trish from Keep Your Daydream are profoundly more useful and telling than the tug-o-war video.

Just my opinion though...

 

Lol ok, got something against entertainment?

 

 

Yeah, laws of physics and all of that. EV trucks are heavy pigs, and the Lightning sits down low to the ground with soft compliant suspension. Makes it ideal as a tug o war truck. Sadly, in the real world it's a horrible towing truck, while the Cummins feels at home with a trailer.

 

Have you pulled trailers with both?

 

has anyone outside of the automotive sites been towing a sizable trailer with the lightning?

at the price they are going to be at for 2023, not to mention the limited ability for ford to deliver pro trim units, very few people who actually frequently tow trailers with SD class trucks will be able to run a lightning and tell us about it.

a 40k lightning pro is ideal for my family hauler and light work usage. At close to 50k I’m sticking with a Coyote powered f150 for that use.

 

I don’t disagree with any of that. My point was that every one of those reviews indicates the Lightning is downright effortless with a trailer. And it should be; the low center of gravity, heavy weight, and absolutely brutal torque curve means it should be more controlled with a trailer than just about everything else on the road. As for towing power, there’s nothing on the road that will come closer to ripping the tongue off a trailer if you ask it to.

I’ve never towed with a Ram HD, but I have with my Super Duties in the past. They were great at towing, but higher center of gravity, sloppy recirculating ball steering, bouncy SFA, and noticeable turbo lag means they probably aren’t as “at home” with a trailer as a Lightning. Range is an issue of course, but that wasn’t what I was responding to.

 

the 2wd super duties are quite a bit lower than their 4wd counter parts and are extremely stable at towing. In fact one off the most underrated towing configuration out there is a 2wd f2/350 with the 6.7 and crew cab long bed with the built in 48 gallon fuel cell. It’s a combo that pushes 1000mile range range with its more efficient 2wd driveline, and when towing the combo of low CoG, long wheel base, and heavy front end means that configuration is a helluva towing set up. And oh yeah, it has twin ibeam independent suspension so it ride very well empty or loaded. The 2020+ super duty’s are fantastic. Even my 22 f250 4wd rides better than most 1/2 tons of the 2010s. The steering is also very tight and precise.

But the big difference here between the lightning and any traditional pickup, including the f150 is the lack of a live rear axle. Without it, sure you can tow a lot but overtime the moving parts in IRS will wear in unpredictable patterns. IRS will make the lightning do great things like comfort, high speed off road capability, better big bump absorption, etc,etc, but towing is not one of the known strong suit of IRS vehicles.

 

So I have a 2004 F350 CCLB 6.0 Powerstroke 6 speed manual 4wd along with a 2016 F150 3.5 ecoboost with the max tow package. I also have a 2022 F150 Lightning that I have been posting about. I have said this before and I will say it again. In my opinion, as an owner of the Lightning, I do not think you will ever break the truck. If we stay on paved surfaces AND you put LT tires on the truck, 10k all day every day wont hurt it. This is assuming you got the max tow package with the Lightning. If we are talking off the road, jeez I dont even want to give the number I think, but its higher than 10k.

Will the Lightning be able to match the ecoboost or the diesel engines for mountain towing or long distance non stop towing? Nope. However it will tow rec vehicles and a lot of the smaller construction equipment with ease within a certain range. It also is a game changer on a farm or ranch because of the utilitarian nature of the truck.

 

there is only one way to find out, since you are the one of the few with a lightning, please tow a 10k+ trailer for a few hundred thousand miles and let us know how it goes.

 

My bet was on the Lightning. The winner of these type of pulls is usually the one that's weighted down better to gain traction.

 

No, but I stayed at a Holiday Inn Express last night.

Seriously, 80 miles of range with a trailer?? The Cummins guys with 34 gallon tanks are laughing.......

 

And the "Lightning guys" are laughing every time they drive by a gas station.

What's your point? Not everyone needs to pull heavy things over long distances.

 

As far as performance no one should be surprised an electric motor with uninterrupted power can outperform an internal combustion engine with a power curve. Range is the current issue, and will most likely be an issue well into the future. Local blacktop towing/hauling tasks great with an EV. Long distance, off road, remote locations, extreme weather conditions, the internal combustion engine will fill those roles.

You guys should see the International Class 6/7 straight truck that they are offering in an EV trim. Class 6 and 7 consists of 19,500lbs-33,000lbs GVWR. The truck is packed with some serious battery power, but yet can barely achieve over 120mi of range empty in just the cab and chassis configuration. Being a business owner who used to operate a fleet of class 6, 7, and 8 trucks I don't see this truck selling even in local service applications. 100mi a day loaded is pretty easy to do even in a local environment. Not to mention its 3x the price tag of its diesel counterpart.