Speaking of taxes, on my new to me F-450 I have to fill out a RUT 25 in IL, but there are two choices, go to the DMV and wait in line and go through it all with them, or order one online and they send it via USPS. Since I have 30 days from purchase, going the USPS route so I can figure the numbers myself and know exactly what I am paying and have the money in the account for the check, then I can get the title and transfer done.

 

In my opinion, taxes should be somewhat lower on the list of considerations for a place to live. Ultimately if you want reasonably maintained infrastructure, police, fire, and schools for other peoples hell spawn (no public schools in any state are worth considering for your children), they have to be funded from somewhere and while the balance between income/sales/property tax may vary the total funding needed will be similar. Far more important than taxes are laws / regulations, nany-ism, crime, political climate, and most important *space*. It matters little if your taxes are really low, if you're reduced to a rat in a cage in some hell hole with not 1 square foot of property.

 

It kinda goes hand-in-hand. More government "involvement" = more taxes, lesser quality of life for the actual tax paying citizens, more crime, general f-ing up of the entire situation. Think California, NY, Mass, Il, Wa, Or,...... The list goes on. Agreed about the public schools in all states. The lowering of standards has screwed up those for the foreseeable future. That leaves us who actually pay property taxes to support the schools who are corrupting our youth. Yay!!

 

+1 on the F'd up schools and paying for them with 60% of property taxes. Where I live, I have found I can reduce my property taxes by farming the land, so have hay fields in the works right now, in fact today I will be going out and starting the second cutting.

 

The best thing I did was move out of the city where I work, current contract allowed for it at the time (12 years; I had just over that) and move out into the sticks south of Buffalo. While I'm not saying the school system out here is the best, it definitely is way better than the school system that I went to in the city that I work for but I graduated in 84.

It's the nanny state ideology that drives me nuts with people moving into my state from other states not so liberal. Welfare and public assistance shouldn't be a career course unless you have mental and/or physical disabilities.

Lots of hay fields out here...

 

I remember back in 1984 a group of friends pulled our travel trailers from Texas up to Toronto Cananda. Along the way we visited New York City and we were on a ferry standing around our trucks and two NYPD officers on bicycles stopped by and visited since we were driving two Ford 250 Crew Cabs 1977/1978 trucks and stuck out like a sore thumb. My uncle was drinking a Shiner beer and the officers asked where is that beer made, we never heard of that one. My uncle proudly said its made in Shiner Texas and he offered them each a beer in which they accepted. Those were good times visiting New York (statue of Liberty was being refurbished then), but we were literally the only pick up trucks driving there, and I don't know how many people we almost ran over.

 

Buh-bye Commie-fornia

Bedford county, Tennessee, $48 to register my 2015 diesel, same price for wife's Fusion. House on 8 acres, $1075/year property tax. Sales tax is 9% or so, but the tax on liquor is up there.

 

We are headed to Tennessee in a couple weeks. I need to learn how to spell Tennessee I forget the E in the middle LOL

 

Theres an E? Always thought it was tennsee, at least thats how I pronounce it. Same as N'awlins.


No matter which state you pick, some how they found a way to get taxes from you. I live in Hellinois, $8K in property taxes way out in farm country, work in Wisconsin but pay IL income tax. I started looking around at property up there and decided, Wait, let me see what it costs up there. Real Estate, Lower, vehicle registration lower. OOH sounds good, better check income tax. OUCH, for my pay grade, it is more than Double what I pay in IL. In the ends it turned out to be a wash, what I don't pay in real estate and sales, I pay in income. Since I already do 90% of my shopping in WI, and buy my fuel in WI, I am actually coming out ahead.

I also discovered if I farm the land I own, it reduces property taxes. This year is my first year being a hay farmer, another year and then the following the taxes go down, how much is yet unknown, but based on neighboring plots that farm, should be close to $3K a year. Of course



Fertilizer prices are out of this world, so my first batches this year won't be very good, plus a lot of weeds, so looking to sell on the cheap to goat people. Within a couple years though, I think I can get a decent crop going. Of course the downside is I had to buy equipment, and other than the tractor, I got it all for under $16K. Looking for a 6 year ROI once the taxes are reduced, and even sooner once I have decent hay to sell. I was looking to buy a tractor regardless, so not considering it part of the ROI, but I did save several grand on sales tax by including it.

 

That is truly a cool story... I graduated HS in 1984. I was in NYC doing in the early 90s doing the air monitoring for an asbestos abatement job at the Bronx Psych Center. I had my first pickup that I owned there, an 1988 Chevy Silverado 2500 2wd. Driving on the expressways there and in the city I had to act like I didn't care about the truck because people drove aggressive as eff, especially the cab drivers in the city. I was there for about a month. Stayed at a motel in Stamford, CT. But can't remember if there were many trucks in the city. Probably wasn't.



Have a good trip and be safe. Enjoy Bone



Good luck on the hay fields pal...


Down the line, if we do decide to move when possible, I'd look for a more gun friendly state for sure.

I truly believe that like what was said, they are going to get you somewhere whether it's property taxes, DMV fees, tolls or sales tax. The only things certain in life are death and taxes.

 

I received the RUT-25 forms for the taxes on my F-450. There goes another $3706. Thats on top of the transfer and title taxes, and I paid out of state title (taxes) fees which I can't deduct. Could have been worse, I could have bought last year and lost out on $21,000 in trade reduction.

 

Taxes, I don 't mind paying taxes as long as I agree with how they are being spent. Like Overkill I would like a gun friendly state. with low crime good policing. Anywhere would be a plus compared to California. Tennessee may not be the best in the world although I have high hopes. I hope they don't hold my being from California against me. I don't pack loon in my luggage LOL. My wife is on board with some of this but she is afraid to move. Wed are getting older and she doesn't want to be alone in a state she doesn't know as well as California as she was born here. It's getting so bad here that even she is willing to look. Big first step.

 

A lot easier when young, however, the young are also part of the problem, especially those who were brainwashed in college by lib professors.

Then again, has any one watched those videos were young college age and in college are asked simple questions regarding history and such and don't know jack? It's funny, but sad and scary all at the same time.

 

Acdii,
So….how big is your hay field? Do you bake your own? My son is just getting started in hay. It’s pretty interesting, I never knew there was so much involved.

 

I have 4 acres I am just starting, and my neighbor has another 4 that I will be harvesting as well. It seems simple enough, you cut it, ted it rake it and bale it. BUT if there is any rain between cutting and baling it can screw with the entire crop. THEN there is the soil to contend with, weeds, and grass types. Thats where the main expense comes from, especially with the price of fertilizer today. I bought 100 pounds of grass seed, cost me $500. $5 a pound for orchard/Timothy mix. I screwed up and drilled too deep and wasted 50 pounds of it.