Good quality parts normally cost more money and tend to last longer. Cheap parts fail more often and tend to give you nothing but frustration and sucks a lot of time from your life. I believe this 100% and applies to everything in life, not just pumps.

 

the only reason to get the c2 from lee is if you have a hard time sourcing a 4.9l bracket and you dont want to hack up the c2 bracket in the 94-96 bracket to fit a saginaw

 

These trucks are 30 years old now. I wouldn't put a junkyard pump in my truck. Maybe if it could be rebuilt. $50 Rock Auto pumps don't exactly scream quality either.

The $400 pump required R&D to retrofit and it's a low production part. Providing it's brand new internals I can understand the price. For some people it's worth the time saved vs junkyarding for used, 30 year old unicorn parts.

 

Generally speaking, yes, but not always. I’m sure you have spent more for the same part or piece of equipment compared to another manufacturer and had it fail.

What are you going to do if/when there is a problem with the Lee pump? Do you send it back to them to repair or can you get service parts at the local store?

With used parts..sometimes you win. Sometimes you lose. It also gave me a core (if needed) to send back for a new/reman pump. I stand by my comment that I’d rather have a Saginaw pump instead of a modified CII.

 

Well said.

 

Nothing is 100% and we all have our life experiences. I'm not going to wait a week to buy a part only to install it and have a problem. Then wait weeks to deal with getting my money back and possibly not able to drive my car. I'm not a multi millionaire and I am a tightwad, but at this stage of life, I know when I should spend my hard earned money and it's not buying cheap internet parts or scrounging around junk yards for 30 year old parts. I love spending my hard earned money on a small company that is kept closer to my home. A company that really takes care of their client vs some place like Rock Auto.

Yes, I know I am in the minority, which is why countries like China flourish.

 

I did the sag swap about 09' when you could still buy a 100% bolt on pump (mount& pulley).

I had a hi-press line fabbed. (fitting different from van style)

Pump from A1 Cardone.

Bout' $120-30 all in/no core.

 

what I’m saying is if you have a 302 or 351, you can just use a brand new p pump(Saginaw), which they also sell, because the bracket is cheap and available. I suppose if you want it to look original there is that angle. But if you have a 4.9 then it has value

if you have a 302/351, if you have the earlier serp and v belt I think you can use an adapter to use the Saginaw without a bracket but I could be mistaken.

 

I have one of those pumps from Napa when I converted the ‘87 Bronco back in the early 2000’s. That pump has not been available for a long time.

I don’t know about the availability from a van for the 300 or 460 because I don’t have any of those engines. However, I do have two more junkyard 302/351W brackets with pumps in the shed because you never know when you might need one in the future.

 

I ordered the E-150 bracket and pump off eBay for a hundred or so bucks several years ago for my 95 351w F150. It sat on the shelf till I got snowed in one winter. I did the sag swap in the middle of freezing weather out of boredom. I’d say I had it done in 45min or less. I couldn’t be happier with it. Strong and quiet

 

i actually didnt mean that pump , I meant aftermarket conversion brackets. I know the v belt engines can easily use an adapter, but the early serp i think do too

holy they want a lot for the whole kit

their bracket alone isnt so bad considering facotry brackets will dry up with time




heres a V belt bracket, cheap to obtain I couldnt find the early serpentine bracket/adapter I thought i saw before
I saw they also sell an aftermarket 460 bracket now too , thats good!

only time till the 4.9 gets some love from some aftermarket company. at least a lot of vans came with 4.9 so if they came out with a new bracket it would price around the same but would only add supply so hopefully drive down the cost over time

The lee steering c2 look alike, while i dont know if its easily rebuildable, to my understanding its just a saginaw in a custom housing, so if one is able to rebuild a saginaw maybe with a couple additional steps id imagine its doable with the same parts any other saginaw could be. I wonder if the shaft is the same as a C2 (to keep the same pulley) or if its the saginaw normal shaft size

 

Successful business' tend to make enough money to keep the doors open. That means you sell stuff that people want for a profit. You just got to accept there is no market for the 4.9. I can only imagine if someone did make a bracket, it would be so much that people would say you are ripping people off. No good business want's that.

I have the stock P/S pump on my 95 F250 5.8. I always wonder why there is such an issue with these pumps. I've had this truck for 28 years so I suspect the day will come when I understand what everyone is complaining about.

 

Because you're part of the 33.3% of the people who got lucky with a C-2

And not the balance of those who can heard coming & identified by make from 5 blocks away.

 

there is a market, but it’s not as big as the combined 302/351

the 460 crowd is probably no bigger as far as this generation of truck is concerned. But those really need a better steering pump out of mercy for whoever be driving them lol

but in general yes there is not a market for upgrades as much , I’m not having a hard time accepting that I just wish someone would copy a factory bracket and just create a dual pattern or change the pattern, wouldn’t be much r&d but the cost to make a part run would probably be high

also there could easily be the market for a tc(type ii) pump, the only thing is to have a good size reservoir and a custom bracket that would fit on a c2 mount

 

The term 'There is no market' means you will not be able to make a profit if you sold them. I suspect there would be a minimum that you would have to buy for someone to design/manufacture a custom bracket. I can only guess, you would never even break even.......ever.

No matter how you look at it, the 4.9 was made for those that could not afford anything bigger or able to afford the gas to fill it up. Some people like the way a pickup is. There are those that need a pickup to do work. I cannot imagine anyone that wants a pickup to do work would prefer a 4.9. Yes, I am certain there is, but very very few. I don't know the ratio of the 4.9 vs the rest but I would believe they did not make many.

My daily driver is a 81 VW Pickup. It sucks as a pickup, is sucks as a daily driver, it sucks because it's too small for me. But I like it and I put around 20k miles a year on it. I would never disagree with anyone that would put down my truck. It is a POS. If I did not like it so much, I would agree with the facts. It's my truck and it works for me. I suspect that everyone that owns a 4.9 F150 feels just like me with my VW Pickup. It's ok to be weird, but the facts are, the 4.9 is not desirable for most people. If you walk out to your truck and it makes you smile, who cares what others think. If you think business' are going to make parts to keep that smile on your face, I think you are dreaming.