I have a 2017 F250-6.7 L turbo diesel-Crew Cab- short bed.

My question: On the inside of my door there is a yellow & white sticker that says my max Occupants & cargo weight should not exceed 2239 lbs, but underneath that there is a White sticker that says my GVWR is 10,000 lbs

If I calculate the numbers on the white sticker (10,000 GVWR) - (6750 curb weight) my max Occupants & cargo weight should be 3250 lbs

Which is correct ?

 

Curb weight usually isnt accurate. these trucks weigh closer to 8K. There is a lot of talk on here about weights. Some folks more by the book than others. In my book, if you run proper tires, properly aired up for max load, you can usually go by RAWR for your total payload.

 

So your saying in my case my payload capacity is approx 6340 because the white sticker says Rear GAWR is 6340

 

No, not directly. what I am saying is to weigh your truck, both axles separately. for example, lets just guess that your truck weighs #8000. Lets further assume for easy math, that there is #5000 on front axle, and #3000 on rear axle. you could then assume 3340 additional payload can be loaded over the rear axle. That should be the "never exceed" number, period. Thats People, fuel, pin weight of a 5th wheel, etc. You will be way over the #10K sticker weight.

 

I sorry to ask again, so is there any way to determine what my actual payload capacity is ?

 

Officially your payload is 2239 lbs. This is a registration limitation placed on F250’s. The problem usually comes up with F250 Diesels as the extra 700 lbs really eats into the payload.

What the previous poster was saying is that your FAWR (Front Axle Weight Rating) and RAWR (Rear Axle Weight Rating) far exceed the GVWR (Gross Vehicle Weight Rating).

Manufacturers tell you not to exceed GVWR for safety and insurance reasons. The reasoning by many F250 owners is that the axles, springs, rims, tires, etc. are the same between the F250 and F350. Therefore it is assumed that as long as the FAWR and RAWR is not exceeded then, then they are unofficially under any safety concerns.

There are some differences between the F250 and F350, like an extra leaf spring but these can be optioned the same from the factory with certain packages. Also you can buy an F350 and have it deranged to 10,000 GVWR (F250 levels) for registration and insurance reasons.

I hope this clears up SOME confusion.

 

Just one more... for the sake of this conversation, lets say my curb weight is 8000.

Using the information on my white sticker what would be my payload capacity be?

 

The only way to find out what your payload actually is, is to go to the scales and weigh your truck. Make sure to top off your fuel first, and then drive onto the scale. Whatever your total scaled weight is, subtract it from 10,000 lbs and that is you available payload. This is the most simple, by the book, accurate way to do it.

(And in your example above, if your scaled wight is 8000 lbs, then: 10000 - 8000 = 2000 lbs of payload remaining.)

The curb weights listed on the Ford site are the base trim (XL), with no added options. Once you go up a trim, that adds weight. Once you add an option, that adds more weight. There are too many scenarios for Ford to list then all (although, I believe that they could easily provide a calculator that adds everything up as you are adding options...) But, you cannot use the listed curb weight, you must go and weigh your own truck. Supposedly, as the truck is leaving the plant, they run it over scales, grab a weight and then subtract that from the GVWR and then print the remainder on the yellow "payload" sticker, but even if that number is accurate, the moment you start adding anything to the truck (phone chargers, seat covers, tool boxes, tonneau covers, anything...) that immediately starts reducing the available payload that you have remaining. This is why I would suggest loading all your normal stuff in the truck, fill it up, and then weigh it. Be honest... Then subtract that number from 10,000 and you will have your remaining payload.

Like mentioned above, some choose to go over the GVWR and instead use tire ratings or axle ratings. I am not saying it's right or wrong, but I will say that if you choose to do this, understand what you are doing before choosing to exceed the vehicles listed GVWR. And know that there may or may not be legal consequences that could come from exceeding the vehicles listed GVWR... there's several threads on this subject too...

And I will say this, your truck weighs quite a bit more than 6.750 lbs. You have the 6.7 engine, so be prepared to see a much larger curb weight, and a much smaller payload rating. I have a 2022 F250 XLT Value CCSB 4X4 with a few options, but most significantly, the 6.7L PSD engine. A couple of weeks after I picked it up and had added my "normal stuff (tonneau, toolbox with 60 lbs of tools, on board air compressor and tank and a few other odd and ends) I weighed with a full tank fo fuel and was 8,160 lbs. I will say that you will easily sit around 8000 lbs, if not more, which will only really give you about 2000 lbs (or less) of payload...

Also, like mentioned above, many of the F250 and F350 components are the same, but depending on configuration, there are still some differences. Starting in 2020 Ford actually increased the GVWR on F250's with the HCTT package to 10,800 lbs. You could get the HCTT package in the 17-19 MY IIRC, however, the GVWR still stayed at 10,000 lbs. In my case with my 22, I added the HCTT package, which upgraded my rear axle to the Dana M275 and added the extra leaf springs, so in the end, my 2022 F250 is identical to a 2022 F350, however, my GVWR is only rated at 10,800 lbs. The truck is capable of the same ratings as the F350, but they had to draw the line somewhere... so if I wanted the legal full weight rating, I would have had to just went to an F350 instead of my F250. I say all of this though to point out that the higher GVWR on the F250 didn't begin until 2020, so if you see some post the higher 10,800 lb GVWR on an F250, know that it is because it is a 20+ MY and has the HCTT package.

Scale it!

 

Thank you so much....

 

2000# for everything in the truck including people.

 

I thought I had done a decent job educating myself on what requirements I needed to tow a 15000 lb 5th Wheel, (but I guess not)

My new 5th wheel is 14,500 GVWR

Do you think the "High Capacity Trailer Tow Package Option" listed below helps increase the payload package a bit ??

and again thanks to everyone that has responded, it has been helpful

 

It doesn't matter what anyone "thinks." As I mentioned above, I would scale the truck, with a full tank of fuel, and what you honestly carry in the truck. Then subtract that from 10,000 lbs and that will be your remaining (legal) payload.

Saying that, the HCTT package most likely does help... but again, it's up to you to decide if you want to go over your trucks listed numbers or not...

Also, to figure an accurate pin wight on a 5th wheel, you need to figure 20 - 25% of it's GVW, so you are looking at between 2,900 - 3,625 lbs. Based on the 5th's GVWR, and without knowing your actual numbers, it's a pretty safe bet that the pin weight alone on your 5th wheel will push your F250 over listed GVWR before you add anything else to it... That doesn't include a hitch, tools, grills, coolers..... you or anyone in the truck... nothing... just the weight of the 5th wheel pressing down on the back of your truck... without a hitch...

I will add that it is crazy at how many 3/4 ton trucks I see pulling huge, massive 5th wheels around though. I have been at a campground about 2 weeks now and I have lost count at how many are pulling large 5th wheels... so obviously they do it... and I do look to see if they are 3/4 tons or 1 tons and a vast majority are 3/4 tons. And not just Ford... all 3 of the big names, and from a pretty large time frame as well...

I do want to add that I am not trying to be the weight police or anything like that... just trying to answer your question. With the weight of the 5th you mentioned, and a 5 year old F250 with the Diesel engine, their is no doubt that you are exceeding your limit... I was in the same place a while back, just on a smaller scale. We had a Pathfinder with a "5000 lb tow rating" and we bought our little 21 foot, 6000 lb GVWR camper. We pulled it with the Pathfinder until last year (mostly close to home though) and it was such a relief to finally get our current truck to pull our camper. It's way overkill now, but I like it that way.

BUT... as much as I said I didn't want a 5th wheel, we are already looking at some... lol. I know for sure that my truck is mechanically no different than the (higher rated) F350 so it has quite a bit higher capacity than it is listed for... so it wouldn't hurt my feelings if I went over my payload by some. But, the 5th wheels we are looking at are the "Half-Ton Towables" so they weigh less. But we also looked at one that has a 13,995 lb GVWR, which would put us at a max 3500 lb pin weight. With everything we put in the truck, including the maxed out pin weight, this would put me about 1000 lbs over my trucks listed 10,800 lb GVWR... I think I would be ok with that personally (considering this is easily in range with an F350)... but I personally would not want to exceed this... and to be honest, I would still likely go with the lighter weight one we are looking at, which is 9,995 GVWR.

Anyway, I would still go and scale your truck and get an actual weight on it so you will have a definite baseline that you know is certain and can work with. Good luck.

 

This is partially correct. Legally the DOT only cares about GAWR, Tire load ratings and GCWR as long as the vehicle is registered to carry those loads. In the event of an accident all those numbers need to be within these limits of the vehicle.

According to your white sticker that truck is capable of legally carrying 11,540lbs total as long as it's registered to do so. With that said, the rear suspension might be a bit soft , adding air bags or overload springs will mitigate that issue. The rear axle in these trucks can take well over 10k before it becomes unsafe to do so. The frame, suspension, and tires will be the limiting factor here.

In the image below my F250 Lariat 6.7l is 200lbs over the yellow payload sticker on my door pillar. Does it look unsafe? Not in the least bit, that is a half ton towable trailer, it handled that load just fine and I could drive that rig with 2 fingers at 75mph. My truck is registered at 15k lbs because that's what the uninformed lady's at the tag office thought it should be registered at. I didn't argue because there is very little difference in the cost of registrations in my state.



Like others have said take your truck to the CAT scale with a full tank of fuel and get the actual weight (I expect you will be close to 8200 lbs like my truck is). Then add the pin weight of the trailer you intend to tow and make sure you are under all axle, tire, registered weight and GCWR and you will be just fine from a legal stand point.

 

So when you say "carrying 11,540lbs" you are referring to the total payload my truck can handle with, "Curb Weight with fuel," "Pin Weight", "People" and "Cargo"...correct ?

Also what numbers from my white sticker did you use to come up with 11,540 ?

My wife will be happy we have not closed on the 2022 Jayco 310RLTS at the dealership yet and she loves it...

and thank you so much for taking the time and adding to this thread...

Mark Berggren

 

Correct!

Front GAWR (5200) GAWR = Gross Axle Weight Rating - Rear GAWR (6340) = 5200+6340 = 11,540 lbs - your specific truck cannot under any circumstances weight more than that fully loaded or you could be fined, sued, etc if you are in an accident and they determine your truck was over that number. Keep in mind your tires, rims, suspension also has to be up to the task of carrying that number. Most likely the rear tires will be the limiting factor in this equation.