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Old Apr 30, 2022 | 11:20 AM
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I ordered a Kubota L4060HSTC-LE, took until December for one to arrive, but without a loader. Took an additional 3 months before one finally came in. Thankfully my financing was locked in 0/0/84 on it, which was the main reason I bought it, made it fit my budget for my farming prospects. I am still waiting on the hydraulics for the 3rd function and remote quick release, no clue when that will arrive, going on 8 months now.

It's only going to get worse from this point forward with rising fuel costs because independent truckers won't be able to afford to keep moving without raising rates, so they will sideline or just get out of the business. The Avian bird flu has decimated chicken production, a dozen eggs are now $4. 2008 was a primer for what is heading our way right now unless something dramatic happens with the leadership. Add in the war in Ukraine, and it wont matter how much value is in a truck, no one will be able to afford one. Prices of trailers have nearly doubled from when I bought one in 2018, but its not the cost of the trailer that doubled, its the value of the dollar has dropped that much.

The vast majority of all behind this IS political, as mentioned, really no way to avoid it.
 
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Old Apr 30, 2022 | 11:31 AM
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I guess I didn't realize how bad things are backed up.
I went to my dealer today to get in line and trade in my 15' GMC plow truck for either a new 2023 F-350 Lariat SCSWB, or a GMC 2500HD DC LTZ from their GM side across the street... which ever he could get first.
I'll need this truck before next winter..

Well, reality I guess...he thinks it'll take a miracle to get one before winter, and there obviously isn't anything out there available.
So, he's going to order both when the order banks re-open, and we'll see which one makes it here first.
Until then I guess I keep the 15' just in case.
Completely unacceptable......
 
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Old Apr 30, 2022 | 11:37 AM
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i went on a spree replacing things for myself and my business in the last 4 years. kubota m6060, kubota l47, ditch witch 24hp, two new petes, two new trailers

dumb luck on my part but sooooooo glad i replaced everything when i did. damned crane truck was the last thing on my list. anybody got a clue on current f-600 times? think i ordered retail middle of feb.
 
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Old Apr 30, 2022 | 12:24 PM
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These trucks are NOT for sale, call them and see for yourself. Ford automatically posts every vehicle that is delivered to a dealer on the dealers website whether they are pre-sold or not. They don't tell us why. My guess is by posting these sold vehicles for sale the dealer draws traffic and gets a bunch more opportunities to make a sale or special order. Essentially a "bait and switch" technique. Frustrating, but that's the way it is done now.
 
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Old Apr 30, 2022 | 10:30 PM
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Ya... cant speak about this without politics. China is not a trade partner. They are a malevolent competitor with a combined inferiority complex and delusions of grandeur...
They will put lead paint on children's toys and they view honest business practices as weakness in their competitors.
Our own people sold us down the river and continue to do so. We continue to allow it.
My F-350 order from last year is supposedly coming in May. By the time they do the plow and lights it will likely be June. I had the order in but did not have a Purchase Order until December. I started the order in 2020 but the politicians had cold feet over covid and kept it on hold until October 2021... I almost lost my order. As a result of the delay I had to put $9,000.00 into an 06 GMC 1 ton to make it ready for this past winter. Those repairs were initiated in August and took until the end of November to complete. Due to supply scarcity.
I received a JD backhoe in January. Took a year between supply and their labor strike.
My personal F-250 is starting to do the long crank thing. Its basically fine 99.9% of the time. Ive been thinking about buying a fuel pump just to have it in stock in case things get worse.
So just keep plugging along hoping it wont get devastatingly worse. But its going to get worse before better.
 
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Old Apr 30, 2022 | 11:30 PM
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They will put lead paint on children's toys and they view honest business practices as weakness in their competitors.
Perhaps the people commissioning the toys should be asking more questions than "How cheap can you get this?". Perhaps they should have checked the finished product more carefully.
 
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Old May 1, 2022 | 05:53 AM
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Originally Posted by jake415
These trucks are NOT for sale, call them and see for yourself. Ford automatically posts every vehicle that is delivered to a dealer on the dealers website whether they are pre-sold or not. They don't tell us why. My guess is by posting these sold vehicles for sale the dealer draws traffic and gets a bunch more opportunities to make a sale or special order. Essentially a "bait and switch" technique. Frustrating, but that's the way it is done now.
Exactly.
A Chevy 2500 popped up on a local advertisement like this last fall. I called, and it was sold before actually built, but it was advertised anyway. .
I have two trucks for our business, so there isn’t an issue to wait. I like to direct order, so we’ll just be patient. I want a 23’ anyway.
 
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Old May 1, 2022 | 06:00 AM
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When we play popularity games like putting a tariff on washing machines/steel/aluminum in an attempt to take on a trade partner ..because trade wars are “easily” won, we win some “not so gentle reminder” or a glimpse from our trade partners of how a global economy really works, along with its checks and balances.

Our planet has developed a complete reliance on one-another’s ability to produce links for the chain. When we take on another country for political popularity gain for a sound byte, the collateral damage is wide spread and long lasting, and the short term political popularity will have long term devastating effects.
Yeah, we can bring some electronic sectors back home, until we get the American labor cost to buy.

As this issue further develops into a full on catastrophe, I’m going to order a second truck to replace my 2020 also. Say hello to a 2024 if I’m lucky…
 
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Old May 1, 2022 | 07:41 AM
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Perhaps the people commissioning the toys should be asking more questions than "How cheap can you get this?". Perhaps they should have checked the finished product more carefully.
This is regulatory functions. They have friends “up top” and there is a lack of gumption in the US public.

But really Asia does need to get more $$$ for its goods. The rumors of slave and child labor are disturbing.

Expect these supply shortages to last for a moment longer and try not to forget them as time passes.
 
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Old May 1, 2022 | 09:53 AM
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When we play popularity games like putting a tariff on washing machines/steel/aluminum in an attempt to take on a trade partner ..because trade wars are “easily” won, we win some “not so gentle reminder” or a glimpse from our trade partners of how a global economy really works, along with its checks and balances.

Our planet has developed a complete reliance on one-another’s ability to produce links for the chain. When we take on another country for political popularity gain for a sound byte, the collateral damage is wide spread and long lasting, and the short term political popularity will have long term devastating effects.
Yeah, we can bring some electronic sectors back home, until we get the American labor cost to buy.

As this issue further develops into a full on catastrophe, I’m going to order a second truck to replace my 2020 also. Say hello to a 2024 if I’m lucky…
We usually apply tariffs to overcome a countries improper trade practices. For example, as mentioned earlier: China subsidizes domestic honey production in an attempt to destroy the US production. The US discovers this and applies a tariff on Chinese honey to create a more level playing field. Or, the US decides that domestic steel production is necessary for national security. We impose a tariff on foreign steel to ensure that US steel production remains profitable and maintains an advantage.

EVERY country does this . Most countries are much more "protectionist" than the US. We have been suckers for decades and politicians have sold us to our enemies, with millions of imbeciles cheering them on. This is why our country is dependant upon China and India for so many important products. When a former administration attempted to apply tariffs on Chinese products, it wasn't a "popularity" contest, it was the US doing what every other country does. Kinda like the US trying to secure its border, like EVERY other country does.
 
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Originally Posted by Joe T
This is regulatory functions. They have friends “up top” and there is a lack of gumption in the US public.

But really Asia does need to get more $$$ for its goods. The rumors of slave and child labor are disturbing.

Expect these supply shortages to last for a moment longer and try not to forget them as time passes.
I don't care what they do over there. It isn't my business any more than it is the Chinese people's business what we do internally. The problem with tariffs is that it raises the price and we don't want that. We want low prices and we don't care how we get it. Sure, we pay lip service to ethics, etc but we don't care. People talk about buying American made products, build here, etc. Until the bill comes. Why did Walmart change from Buy American to this? Because we, the consumer told them to do it.
 
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i went on a spree replacing things for myself and my business in the last 4 years. kubota m6060, kubota l47, ditch witch 24hp, two new petes, two new trailers

dumb luck on my part but sooooooo glad i replaced everything when i did. damned crane truck was the last thing on my list. anybody got a clue on current f-600 times? think i ordered retail middle of feb.
In case you did not see it: F-600
 
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Old May 1, 2022 | 03:05 PM
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thanks for the heads-up but she's a short little girl, i need a 205" gal
 
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Originally Posted by jdk1
We usually apply tariffs to overcome a countries improper trade practices. For example, as mentioned earlier: China subsidizes domestic honey production in an attempt to destroy the US production. The US discovers this and applies a tariff on Chinese honey to create a more level playing field. Or, the US decides that domestic steel production is necessary for national security. We impose a tariff on foreign steel to ensure that US steel production remains profitable and maintains an advantage.

EVERY country does this . Most countries are much more "protectionist" than the US. We have been suckers for decades and politicians have sold us to our enemies, with millions of imbeciles cheering them on. This is why our country is dependant upon China and India for so many important products. When a former administration attempted to apply tariffs on Chinese products, it wasn't a "popularity" contest, it was the US doing what every other country does. Kinda like the US trying to secure its border, like EVERY other country does.
100%. The current regime cares more about secure borders for other countries and getting a 10% cut for the big guy.
 
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Originally Posted by jdk1
We usually apply tariffs to overcome a countries improper trade practices. For example, as mentioned earlier: China subsidizes domestic honey production in an attempt to destroy the US production. The US discovers this and applies a tariff on Chinese honey to create a more level playing field. Or, the US decides that domestic steel production is necessary for national security. We impose a tariff on foreign steel to ensure that US steel production remains profitable and maintains an advantage.

EVERY country does this . Most countries are much more "protectionist" than the US. We have been suckers for decades and politicians have sold us to our enemies, with millions of imbeciles cheering them on. This is why our country is dependant upon China and India for so many important products. When a former administration attempted to apply tariffs on Chinese products, it wasn't a "popularity" contest, it was the US doing what every other country does. Kinda like the US trying to secure its border, like EVERY other country does.
Easy to win? Famous last words…
As the old saying goes, you don’t throw stones if you live in a glass house, and obviously, our economy is made of glass..
Unless you carry leverage to win a food fight, which we certainly do not have, it’s best to play smart and plan out your long term strategy instead of a knee jerk sound Byte. .

Playing smart was not part of tariffing something as petty and silly and out of the blue as washing machines. My Wolf range was ordered last August. Expect delivery this September. Winning…🙄
Now, here we are, depending on something much more important than a Maytag, and guess who still holds the cards… and our leverage?
One played checkers, China played Chess
 
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