Robbery
Mountain Pass
Joined: Aug 2021
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Hahahahaha! Yes absolutely. "Hey Sgt!! Check out my new whip!! I paid full price BUT it came with a full tank of gas!!!"
Most of the dudes I knew weren't infantry because they were going to cure cancer someday. Besides, after you come back to a place where the road doesn't blow up under you, blowing money on stuff that plays music louder than that incessant ringing in your ears just feels like a victory lap.
IN fact the funniest thing I saw was a guy that spent four years on a submarine as a mechanic got out and rented the smallest apartment I have ever seen in my life then bought the largest speakers I have ever seen in my life. So large that the bass would retard their own cones because the room was so small and the sound waves would hit the speakers back. You'd think being on a sub would make him want a big room, but I guess when you are crate trained, you end up liking your crate....but I digress....
I'm all for the crazy high prices that dealers charge. Freedom. Plus, proves to the mfg AND the market that the dealers are an unneeded piece of the chain and we should be buying straight from the mfg if we want. It's only scalping if you lean over and hand them a tomahawk. Hope they all go bust. I've never needed to test drive a car. I know what I want and have never been shocked that something performed a certain way based on a test drive. Id like to order all my cars for the rest of my life.
Most of the dudes I knew weren't infantry because they were going to cure cancer someday. Besides, after you come back to a place where the road doesn't blow up under you, blowing money on stuff that plays music louder than that incessant ringing in your ears just feels like a victory lap.
IN fact the funniest thing I saw was a guy that spent four years on a submarine as a mechanic got out and rented the smallest apartment I have ever seen in my life then bought the largest speakers I have ever seen in my life. So large that the bass would retard their own cones because the room was so small and the sound waves would hit the speakers back. You'd think being on a sub would make him want a big room, but I guess when you are crate trained, you end up liking your crate....but I digress....
I'm all for the crazy high prices that dealers charge. Freedom. Plus, proves to the mfg AND the market that the dealers are an unneeded piece of the chain and we should be buying straight from the mfg if we want. It's only scalping if you lean over and hand them a tomahawk. Hope they all go bust. I've never needed to test drive a car. I know what I want and have never been shocked that something performed a certain way based on a test drive. Id like to order all my cars for the rest of my life.
Lead Driver
Joined: Jan 2006
Posts: 7,308
Likes: 250
From: Hartford, WI
I'm all for the crazy high prices that dealers charge. Freedom. Plus, proves to the mfg AND the market that the dealers are an unneeded piece of the chain and we should be buying straight from the mfg if we want. It's only scalping if you lean over and hand them a tomahawk. Hope they all go bust. I've never needed to test drive a car. I know what I want and have never been shocked that something performed a certain way based on a test drive. Id like to order all my cars for the rest of my life.
Lead Driver
Joined: Jan 2006
Posts: 7,308
Likes: 250
From: Hartford, WI
I generally can find what I want without driving, but I always drive an example to be sure. In the 90's, I was dead certain I wanted a Jeep...until I drove one. Miserable drive...it porpoised like crazy. Leaf springs all around with that short wheelbase was just not a good design for anything other than serious off roading. I drove less than a block and said "Nope, on the option 2".
Cross-Country
Joined: Jul 2020
Posts: 66
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Almost exactly a year ago I went to look at a 2021 F350 Crew Cab XLT 6.2 4x4, Sticker was just over 55k, on sale for 52k, I really liked it but wasn't sure I wanted to spend that much, and figured I can just wait for the next sale when hopefully it would be closer to 50k. I was bored the other day during a meeting and decided to see what this same dealer, Selig Ford in Windsor CT, had in stock - the only truck they had on the lot under a F550 was an 2020 F350 Crew Cab 6.2 XL/STX with 21k miles, and at first I thought ok, maybe this could work, then I saw the price... The original new MSRP was $50,200, they were selling it for $57000, and generously marked it down to $54k, for a marginal step up on the most basic truck Ford sells. These prices are just beyond belief.
Fleet Mechanic
Joined: Jun 2015
Posts: 1,556
Likes: 878
From: Rome as it burns
Let the market adjust and let private sector fill in the void. Screw the dealers. They've enjoyed so much at our expense for so long that seeing them get their hats handed to them is not making me cry at all.
Fleet Mechanic
Joined: Jun 2015
Posts: 1,556
Likes: 878
From: Rome as it burns
I generally can find what I want without driving, but I always drive an example to be sure. In the 90's, I was dead certain I wanted a Jeep...until I drove one. Miserable drive...it porpoised like crazy. Leaf springs all around with that short wheelbase was just not a good design for anything other than serious off roading. I drove less than a block and said "Nope, on the option 2".
I probably would not buy the Jeep I had in my youth again. Probably would not buy the Mustang I had in my youth again. A test drive today would cure me of that desire.
More Turbo
Joined: Nov 2019
Posts: 550
Likes: 262
From: Northwest CT
Dealers don't like it when you tell them to get bent, politely, to their face. I think it was in the spring, I went into the local Subaru dealer because I wanted to see about trading in my Civic Si for a 2021 Subaru STI... Test drove it, walk back into the dealer...
Me: "I like it."
Dealer: "Ready to let that Civic go then?"
Me: "You ready to let that $3k markup on the STI go?"
Dealer: "Can't do that."
Me: "Neither can I."
Turned on my heel and walked out.
When we went to pick up the new truck I told the wife if the price is $1 more than what's on our signed agreement I'm telling them to shove it. It actually came in slightly less.
Me: "I like it."
Dealer: "Ready to let that Civic go then?"
Me: "You ready to let that $3k markup on the STI go?"
Dealer: "Can't do that."
Me: "Neither can I."
Turned on my heel and walked out.
When we went to pick up the new truck I told the wife if the price is $1 more than what's on our signed agreement I'm telling them to shove it. It actually came in slightly less.
Lead Driver
Joined: Jan 2006
Posts: 7,308
Likes: 250
From: Hartford, WI
There is no shortage of mechanics in the US that are better skilled than the ones at the dealerships. Plus I dont know if there has ever been a vehicle ever repaired in the last 20 years that was repaired with 100% OEM parts.
Let the market adjust and let private sector fill in the void. Screw the dealers.
They've enjoyed so much at our expense for so long that seeing them get their hats handed to them is not making me cry at all.
Let the market adjust and let private sector fill in the void. Screw the dealers.
They've enjoyed so much at our expense for so long that seeing them get their hats handed to them is not making me cry at all.
Very nice in theory but I honestly don't see how it will work out in real life. But lets say it does happen. Think they won't screw you over left and right? I have been screwed by many independents also. Now what will you do? Screw the independents and hope for new independents that are good?
You can think that if it helps you sleep at night better. That won't be how it works but you go think that. Lets not forget that "us" isn't perfect either. I have seen a lot of screwing both ways in the auto business.
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Lead Driver
Joined: Jan 2006
Posts: 7,308
Likes: 250
From: Hartford, WI
Dealers don't like it when you tell them to get bent, politely, to their face. I think it was in the spring, I went into the local Subaru dealer because I wanted to see about trading in my Civic Si for a 2021 Subaru STI... Test drove it, walk back into the dealer...
Me: "I like it."
Dealer: "Ready to let that Civic go then?"
Me: "You ready to let that $3k markup on the STI go?"
Dealer: "Can't do that."
Me: "Neither can I."
Turned on my heel and walked out.
When we went to pick up the new truck I told the wife if the price is $1 more than what's on our signed agreement I'm telling them to shove it. It actually came in slightly less.
Me: "I like it."
Dealer: "Ready to let that Civic go then?"
Me: "You ready to let that $3k markup on the STI go?"
Dealer: "Can't do that."
Me: "Neither can I."
Turned on my heel and walked out.
When we went to pick up the new truck I told the wife if the price is $1 more than what's on our signed agreement I'm telling them to shove it. It actually came in slightly less.
From what I see, 2 people couldn't agree. You expected him to swallow whatever you stuck in his face, he refused and you walked off in a huff. Think you hurt his feelings? He probably forgotten you soon as he turned away. He wouldn't be worth a damn if he couldn't do that. It's business and not personal. As my insurance agent put it "I know you will stick with me as long as I have the best deal.". Every renewal, I shop. I dropped my agent of 8 (I believe) years for him and will drop him tomorrow if there is a better price for equal insurance. My emails are very simple. "Here are the Dec Pages. Please quote me at least EQUAL coverage.". I take the best price and dump the rest. Another shop offers you a better price 10 minutes before you sign papers and you won't drop this guy for them? Yah, right. I don't believe they can charge you more legally. Does sound tough though.
5th Wheeling
Joined: Jul 2017
Posts: 45
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From: Nor NV
My issue as a Ford shareholder is if this vehicle be a SD, Mustang, Raptor, whatever, if it's worth $150K, then that's where Ford should MSRP it and make the profit. These gouging dealers need to brought under control, as they hurt the brand.
Lead Driver
Joined: Jan 2006
Posts: 7,308
Likes: 250
From: Hartford, WI
Right. That is what your concern is and not that today, it is your turn in the barrel. Sure. If you get a $100K truck for $20K BELOW the MSRP, you would be bragging how good you got it by pushing a dealer who needed to sell. When they want to sell at what the market bears, you squeal like a little girl. Is that "Heads, I win. Tails, you lose."?
More Turbo
Joined: Nov 2019
Posts: 550
Likes: 262
From: Northwest CT
That'll teach him. From what I see, 2 people couldn't agree. You expected him to swallow whatever you stuck in his face, he refused and you walked off in a huff. Think you hurt his feelings? He probably forgotten you soon as he turned away. He wouldn't be worth a damn if he couldn't do that. It's business and not personal. As my insurance agent put it "I know you will stick with me as long as I have the best deal.". Every renewal, I shop. I dropped my agent of 8 (I believe) years for him and will drop him tomorrow if there is a better price for equal insurance. My emails are very simple. "Here are the Dec Pages. Please quote me at least EQUAL coverage.". I take the best price and dump the rest. Another shop offers you a better price 10 minutes before you sign papers and you won't drop this guy for them? Yah, right.
I don't believe they can charge you more legally. Does sound tough though.
From what I see, 2 people couldn't agree. You expected him to swallow whatever you stuck in his face, he refused and you walked off in a huff. Think you hurt his feelings? He probably forgotten you soon as he turned away. He wouldn't be worth a damn if he couldn't do that. It's business and not personal. As my insurance agent put it "I know you will stick with me as long as I have the best deal.". Every renewal, I shop. I dropped my agent of 8 (I believe) years for him and will drop him tomorrow if there is a better price for equal insurance. My emails are very simple. "Here are the Dec Pages. Please quote me at least EQUAL coverage.". I take the best price and dump the rest. Another shop offers you a better price 10 minutes before you sign papers and you won't drop this guy for them? Yah, right.I don't believe they can charge you more legally. Does sound tough though.
As for that insurance blather... No, I won't just turn and drop my insurance coverage if someone else comes along and offers me the same for less. I like my insurance agent and he's always done right by me. I see no reason to leave for some other company who might save me $20.
Dealer can't charge more than the agreed upon price? Oh, there are Bronco owners who would probably beg to differ if you believe the internet.
Laughing Gas
Joined: Nov 2021
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The real question is, how much more or less would dealerships make if there was publicly advertised "no haggle pricing" set by Ford or the dealership? How well do "no haggle pricing" dealerships do? They seem to be to survive but do they thrive? Even if Ford set the prices on all new vehicles, dealerships still make money on financing, used vehicles, service, and parts. Setting or openly advertising the price of vehicles could help make buying new vehicles a better experience. ... at least for me.
Lead Driver
Joined: Jan 2006
Posts: 7,308
Likes: 250
From: Hartford, WI
Um, I'm sure the sales guy couldn't have given less of ****. That's not really the point though. The thread is about dealership robbery, which it isn't, unless you pay it. That is the point, don't pay these ridiculous prices.
As for that insurance blather... No, I won't just turn and drop my insurance coverage if someone else comes along and offers me the same for less. I like my insurance agent and he's always done right by me. I see no reason to leave for some other company who might save me $20.
Dealer can't charge more than the agreed upon price? Oh, there are Bronco owners who would probably beg to differ if you believe the internet.
As for that insurance blather... No, I won't just turn and drop my insurance coverage if someone else comes along and offers me the same for less. I like my insurance agent and he's always done right by me. I see no reason to leave for some other company who might save me $20.
Dealer can't charge more than the agreed upon price? Oh, there are Bronco owners who would probably beg to differ if you believe the internet.
How about for $800 less? I don't know my insurance agent and it isn't personal. It's business. I didn't talk to him when I had a claim. I didn't invite him over for coffee.
IDK. I have never had anyone I know with that experience.
Lead Driver
Joined: Jan 2006
Posts: 7,308
Likes: 250
From: Hartford, WI
The same as now, Either a manufacturer's certified mechanic/technician or an independent one. My choice.
The real question is, how much more or less would dealerships make if there was publicly advertised "no haggle pricing" set by Ford or the dealership? How well do "no haggle pricing" dealerships do? They seem to be to survive but do they thrive? Even if Ford set the prices on all new vehicles, dealerships still make money on financing, used vehicles, service, and parts. Setting or openly advertising the price of vehicles could help make buying new vehicles a better experience. ... at least for me.
The real question is, how much more or less would dealerships make if there was publicly advertised "no haggle pricing" set by Ford or the dealership? How well do "no haggle pricing" dealerships do? They seem to be to survive but do they thrive? Even if Ford set the prices on all new vehicles, dealerships still make money on financing, used vehicles, service, and parts. Setting or openly advertising the price of vehicles could help make buying new vehicles a better experience. ... at least for me.