Notices
1980 - 1986 Bullnose F100, F150 & Larger F-Series Trucks Discuss the Early Eighties Bullnose Ford Truck

Starter brush replacement?

Thread Tools
 
Search this Thread
 
Old Jan 31, 2022 | 08:07 PM
  #1  
kr98664's Avatar
kr98664
Thread Starter
|
Lead Driver
10 Year Member
Liked
Loved
Community Favorite
Joined: Nov 2013
Posts: 7,157
Likes: 1,167
Starter brush replacement?

Anybody have any info on replacing the brushes on a Ford positive engagement starter? I have the starter removed while replacing the engine, and thought I’d throw a set of brushes in there. I have had zero problems with this starter but figured it was time. It’s been on there since 1992 when I bought the truck, and I suspect it is original.

The factory manual talks about removing the through bolts and the end cap. I also removed the angled side cover over the pivoting pole shoe. However, when I tried removing the end cap, the main barrel also tries to separate from the drive end casting. The end cap only comes loose maybe an 1/8” and stops. I decided to stop, instead of turning a perfectly good starter into a paperweight.

Also, the manual talks about cutting then crimping and soldering the new brushes. The brushes I ordered have screw terminals, so are they even the correct ones?



 
Reply
Old Feb 1, 2022 | 01:15 PM
  #2  
pearljam724's Avatar
pearljam724
Cross-Country
Joined: Jan 2022
Posts: 92
Likes: 20
From: Pa
All starter motors are extremely easy to rebuild. Just find a kit on Ebay for your year and model vehicle to obtain the brushes and springs. Make sure kit is for your particular engine. Once it’s apart spray out the carbon particles with electrical cleaner inside the casing and clean the armature with a very fine sand paper. No need to get carried away. You’re just lightly cleaning. That’s all there is involved in rebuilding a starter motor. Put, it back together. Once new brushes are installed. The starter will seem to be seized. It’s not, the brushes simply need worn in. A few revolutions of battery power will seat them.
The end caps are stopping because of magnetic force. You have to pull. And make sure all side casing screws/ bolts are removed. Don’t be intimidated. Take it apart. Pay attention to what goes where. Take pictures during disassemble.
 

Last edited by pearljam724; Feb 1, 2022 at 01:21 PM.
Reply
Old Feb 3, 2022 | 10:14 AM
  #3  
kr98664's Avatar
kr98664
Thread Starter
|
Lead Driver
10 Year Member
Liked
Loved
Community Favorite
Joined: Nov 2013
Posts: 7,157
Likes: 1,167
It was a miserable job replacing the brushes. I do NOT recommend it, especially when you can get a quality Motorcraft reman for under $100. I had originally intended to take some pictures and show how to do it, but I have abandoned that approach. I have overhauled many motors, generators, etc. but have never met one so difficult. Replacement of the brushes didn't seem to be a prime consideration during the design phase.

I had previously mentioned the end plate (with the brushes) did not want to come loose. Turns out the brushes had worn into the commutator and left a ridge at the end. This was keeping the brushes locked in place. I had to resort to brute force and ignorance to get the plate free.

The brushes were not the typical carbon (or similar) you'd normally see. They were VERY hard and appeared to be bronze or some comparable alloy. I believe this starter was original (275k miles), and the brushes still had about 2/3 remaining. Unfortunately, they had worn down unevenly. And unlike the carbon dust you'd normally get everywhere from the brushes wearing, there was only a light copper sludge from wear on the commutator.

There are four brushes. two positive and (wait for it...) two negative. The negative brush leads had straight ring terminals on the end and were riveted to the case. The replacements had threaded terminals, but unfortunately were a flag style as seen in the previous picture. You drill out the rivets and insert screws to hold these flag terminals. The bad part was the flag terminals put the leads offset about 3/16" to the side. The brush holder was designed for the two leads to be directly in line with the holes in the case, and it couldn't be re-indexed. It may not seem like much, but having to joggle these negative leads put them very close to the positive brush leads.

The positive brush leads were downright miserable to replace. Originally they were spot welded to the heavy copper that formed the two field coils. This material was about .050" thick and maybe .300" wide, wrapped in a spiral. The free ends of the two coils were joined in the middle with a spotweld, also where the leads were attached. To replace these brushes, you were supposed to cut the leads flush at the spotweld. The new leads were a single piece with a small clip in the middle between the brushes. Somehow, you were supposed to crimp this undersized clip on the spotweld area, and then solder it in place. It was near impossible to get any sort of suitable pliers or crimpers into this tight area. In my overinflated opinion, you want a good mechanical connection BEFORE soldering. After several futile attempts, I ended up partially closing the clip first and then maneuvering it onto the edge of the spotweld area.

Once I got the clip more or less secured, that's when I discovered the copper had been been coated in insulating varnish. The clip had to come back off while I sanded away the varnish to expose bare metal. I had to use sandpaper wrapped around the tip of a screwdriver. I then tinned the area with solder, but all that copper makes a GREAT heat sink. The directions say to use a minimum 300W soldering gun. That ain't no pencil type, but one of those big pistol styles. I have one rated at 400W, but even that poor thing had a hard time heating all that copper.

After I reinstalled the pre-squeezed clip on the tinned copper, it was still a bear just to solder it. As careful as I was, I still managed to get some solder wicked into the flexible leads. AARGH! This of course makes the leads rigid and creates problems trying to route them into the correct locations with the brush holder.

This is when I discovered the length of the leads is very critical. The brush holder is plastic and has channels where the flexible leads are routed. An 1/8" too short and they will limit brush travel. An 1/8" too long and the extra material will bunch up around the corners and possibly touch where they shouldn't. (Think big bright sparks...) This was a very **** poor design.

Also, due to the hard material of the brushes, the commutator was heavily worn. You could not just slap new brushes in there (even if they went in easily) and call it good. I have a lathe and was able to clean up the commutator, but that's not an option for most of you.

To summarize Proust: Get a quality reman and save yourself the headache. I've ordered a Motorcraft replacement and it should be here tomorrow. Masochist that I am, I found a set of brushes with the correct straight terminals on the ground brush leads, and will try again. If this attempt works out better, I will keep it as a spare.
 
Reply
Related Topics
Thread
Thread Starter
Forum
Replies
Last Post
Dal3
Pre-Power Stroke Diesel (7.3L IDI & 6.9L)
4
Nov 22, 2014 11:57 AM
beckman
1948 - 1956 F1, F100 & Larger F-Series Trucks
13
Feb 13, 2013 09:13 PM
inline6 Red Neck
1987 - 1996 F150 & Larger F-Series Trucks
5
Oct 12, 2006 04:56 AM
Rough52
1948 - 1956 F1, F100 & Larger F-Series Trucks
7
May 12, 2006 01:13 AM




All times are GMT -5. The time now is 06:56 AM.

story-0
Top 10 Ford Truck Tragedies

Slideshow: Top 10 Ford truck tragedies.

By Joe Kucinski | 2026-05-18 19:34:33


VIEW MORE
story-1
AEV FXL Super Duty - the Super Duty Raptor Ford Doesn't Make

And it might be even better than that.

By Brett Foote | 2026-05-18 19:26:42


VIEW MORE
story-2
Lobo Vs Lobo: Proof the F-150 Lobo Should Be Even Lower!

Slideshow: Does lowering an F-150 Lobo RUIN the ride quality?

By Michael S. Palmer | 2026-05-18 19:20:37


VIEW MORE
story-3
Ford's 2001 Explorer Sportsman Concept Looks For a New Home

Slideshow: Ford's bizarre fishing-themed Explorer concept has resurfaced after spending decades largely forgotten.

By Verdad Gallardo | 2026-05-12 18:07:46


VIEW MORE
story-4
10 Best Ford Truck Engines We Miss the Most!

Slideshow: The 10 best Ford truck engines we miss the most.

By Joe Kucinski | 2026-05-12 13:09:47


VIEW MORE
story-5
2026 Shelby F-150 Off-Road: Better Than a Raptor R?

Slideshow: first look at the 810 hp 2026 Shelby F-150 Off-Road!

By Brett Foote | 2026-05-12 12:50:07


VIEW MORE
story-6
2027 Super Duty Carhartt Package First Look: 12 Things You NEED to Know!

Slideshow: Everything You Need to Know about the 2027 Super Duty Carhartt Package!

By Michael S. Palmer | 2026-05-07 17:51:06


VIEW MORE
story-7
10 Most Surprising 2026 Ford Truck Features!

Slideshow: 10 most surprising Ford truck options/features in 2026.

By Joe Kucinski | 2026-05-05 11:17:22


VIEW MORE
story-8
Top 10 Ford Trucks Coming to Mecum Indy 2026

Slideshow: Here are the top 10 Fords coming to Mecum Indy 2026.

By Brett Foote | 2026-05-04 13:49:49


VIEW MORE
story-9
5 Best / 5 Worst Ford Truck Wheels of All Time

Slideshow: The 5 best and 5 worst Ford truck wheels of all time

By Joe Kucinski | 2026-04-29 16:49:01


VIEW MORE