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Does anyone know anything about the 63-64 4 speed trans, particularly what they used for a shifter?
I think I'm buying a '65 E-Pickup on sunday, it's a 3 spd. And I'd like to put a 4spd trans in it, but I'd like to retain the column shifter if possible. Any ideas?
Ya, I knew it was 3 &4 only, the one I'm trying to buy Sunday is suppose to be a 1965 with a 170 and a 3 speed. I don't have the VIN yet, the owner is in the Keys drinking Margaritas. I actually found the truck a year ago and looked it over but had no room in my life for another project, but the addiction is strong so I'll probably own it sunday. I have access to a top loader OD, looks just like a top loader from the 60's but 4th gear appears to be 1.2 or so to 1. I was hoping for a diagram like the one one you just gave me so I can build a 4 on the tree. thank you for that. This is the truck;
You need the steering column from an Econoline that came with a 4-speed. That will give you four on the tree.
What do you hope to gain by swapping a 4-speed for the 3-speed? The first gear ratio is basically the same for both transmissions and the top gear is 1:1 for both.
Basically, the four speed transmission has two extra gears, but the first and top gear are the same as the three speed. There is no gas mileage savings and no extra power from a lower gear. With the four speed, you just have to shift more often.
You need the steering column from an Econoline that came with a 4-speed. That will give you four on the tree.
What do you hope to gain by swapping a 4-speed for the 3-speed? The first gear ratio is basically the same for both transmissions and the top gear is 1:1 for both.
Basically, the four speed transmission has two extra gears, but the first and top gear are the same as the three speed. There is no gas mileage savings and no extra power from a lower gear. With the four speed, you just have to shift more often.
First off, if I thought a 4 speed shifter out of an econoline was easy to find, I wouldn't have an issue, But I'm guessing it's not. Next all trans do not have the same gears, and they make both close and wide ratio combinations depending on what you are using the trans for. For instance in a Ford toploader back in the day the close, which you would want if you were drag racing, has the gear ratios closer together to keep the engine nearer to it's optimum RPM threw the gears. And the long would be better for your daily driver. SEE; Torque Specs and Gear Ratios . And finally I just want it because it's ODD. I don't even care what 4 speed I use. Same reason I wanted a toploader OD, because I've never seen one before... Oh and thanx for the pics. I have a feeling I'm going to have to fabricate my own shifter for this.
Well I just purchased a 170 and a 4 speed out of a 63 Falcon, the engine was a supposed rebuild 800 miles ago, it's being swapped for a 302 and an automatic. Not sure what the 4 speed is but I'm assuming it just a 1-1 4th gear. now I can swap the 170 if it is good into my '65 Falcon that originally had a 170, and pull the 200 out and swap that into the Econoline to give me a few more ponies for towing. If that is adequate I won't have to mix and match to get the 300 into it, we will see.
Turns out it is the Dagenham out of a 63 Falcon. Now I just need a shift setup, I was thinking if I used the 3 speed shifter for 1-4 on the column and a single floor shift for reverse I could mount a nice bright LED red indicator on the dash and run it threw a flasher so it flashes when the floor shift is in reverse. That may even keep me from doing something stupid...
you could also build a remote shifter.
shift lever next to the seat, with a shift tube going to the real shifter back at the trans like cab over semi trucks use.
you could also build a remote shifter.
shift lever next to the seat, with a shift tube going to the real shifter back at the trans like cab over semi trucks use.
Ya, that's what I was talking about, I just wanted to put a warning light on the dash so If some-one else drove the truck they wouldn't leave it in reverse, shift into 1st and blow a gear off the trans shaft. twin sticks in a semi are all going forward, you can't leave one in reverse and the other in forward. the 2 shifters are running 2 inline transmissions. If you put the main trans in reverse, it doesn't matter what gear you leave the aux trans in it will still go backwards.
no, i meant one shifter. the one you shift is up front next to the seat.
then a shift tube runs back to the trans, and works the levers back there.
Gotcha, I was actually trying to retain the column shifter. I haven't driven a column shift car in probably 20 years and I thought I would keep it.
I picked up the E-Pup yesterday. It is a really cool little truck. It's small, has a ton of room in the cab, has amazing visibility with the 5 window cab, has a great turning radius, and it's incredibly low to work out of, if I was a couple years younger I could step up onto the tailgate, it's only about 20" off the ground. Oh and it's got a longer bed than my F150 had, it's 7' long.
It needs some TLC, she's been ignored for awhile, and she has a little rot here and there, but I didn't see anything scary. Now I need to get down south and pick up the 170- 4 spd I bought.
You need the steering column from an Econoline that came with a 4-speed. That will give you four on the tree.
What do you hope to gain by swapping a 4-speed for the 3-speed? The first gear ratio is basically the same for both transmissions and the top gear is 1:1 for both.
Basically, the four speed transmission has two extra gears, but the first and top gear are the same as the three speed. There is no gas mileage savings and no extra power from a lower gear. With the four speed, you just have to shift more often.
I've done a bit of research and as for easily available 4 speeds that will bolt on, I have 2 choices, the old Toploader T-10 which has a 1-1 top gear or the newer Toploader OD that they call the RUG. The T-10 comes close or wide ratio , the close has a 2.33 first gear, the wide has a slightly lower 2.78, niether is as low as the 3 speed that is in it now which is 3.41. So if I want a lower first and still maintain my high gear the best bet is the RUG that has a 3.16 first gear, and with the OD I can put a lower rear in it to maintain top end. So at the moment I'm in search of a RUG, as many guys are...
A "Toploader" is the performance Ford transmission introduced in 1965 to replace the BORG WARNER T-10, a side loaded transmission. A toploader is NOT a T-10.
As for the RUG transmission, those are built on the toploader pattern. There are pictures here. Issues might be bolting it to your bell--the six vs. V8 patterns different. You might be able to drill it to fit. The input shaft length needs to be sorted out. Toploader Imposters
There are other versions of the 4 speed OD, and the SROD uses a remote shifter vs. the external linkage of the RUG transmission. It may be able to be converted to a more remote shifter but keeping it on the column would be a challenge.
