Diagnosing Valve Train Clatter
Just wish I'd inspected that spring more closely BEFORE I PULLED THE HEAD!!!! On a positive note, check out my pristine lifters:
Here's a shot of the chamber of the dead cylinder:
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If you have both heads off consider bronze valve guides and yes new beefy valve springs
True the springs should match the cam so doo not go too overboard
That said My Boss motor was built with a Crane Blazer to start with that had .561" lift I believe and I was sold a triple springs kit for the cam
That cam was a bit much and I went back to a close to factory race grind
I still have the triple springs and the bronzewall guides and love it
All they are going to do is wear out over time like yours did
The triples mine are still okay 40 years later (built that momo in 1982)
Mellings list stock replacement spring VS820 with a installed height of 1.820 and coil bind at 1.330, that’s .490 lift
Mellings torque cam recommends valve spring VS280 with a installed height of 1.820 and coil bind at 1.260 or .560 lift
If they reused your stock springs that most likely explains the broken one
You need to get the correct springs for your cam
Mellings list stock replacement spring VS820 with a installed height of 1.820 and coil bind at 1.330, that’s.490 lift
Mellings torque cam recommends valve spring VS280 with a installed height of 1.820 and coil bind at 1.260 or .560 lift
If they reused your stock springs that most likely explains the broken one
You need to get the correct springs for your cam
We tested several springs from different brands and sizes of engine back in the 70's-early 80's, every stock production non performance engines valve spring we tested would reach coil bind in the area of .490-.510 lift, this was measured it the factory recommended installed height for each spring and then compressed until it reached coil bind
Reusing the original springs that had been running of a stock engine with .380-.430 valve lift and then subjecting them to a cam with .080-.100 more lift and having them compress to near or at coil bind could induce fatigue very quickly.
The Melling MTF-2 cams .486 intake lift is probably not causing a issue but there's not much margin left before coil bind, far less than the .040-.060 recommended above
The exhaust .512 lift is probably causing the lifter plunger to collapse .005-.020 farther down into the lifters bore, this would induce a temporary loose lash condition that would sound similar to a mechanical cam with it's .015-.025 lash clearance
I had a 79 F-150 4x4 with a 400 I rebuilt using a Cam Dynamics 272 .520 lift torque cam and their recommended springs, no issues with that engine
A cousin had a 78 F-250 with a 400 he rebuilt using a different makers .508 lift cam with stock springs, after bending push rods a second time he called me, after discussing his build I told him the stock springs were most likely binding and needed replaced, after he bent push rods a 3rd time he swapped in the same springs I was using and never had another issue
Here's my take: A engine was built using a Melling MTF-2 cam and stock springs, there's what appears to be valve train chatter and now a broken spring, rather than installing more stock springs that will only fix the broken spring issue, install the VS280 springs recommended for the MTF-2 cam that should provide .048-.074 clearance before binding and see if both problems go away.
If one doesn't want to use Melling springs get some from another mfg that has similar specs
We tested several springs from different brands and sizes of engine back in the 70's-early 80's, every stock production non performance engines valve spring we tested would reach coil bind in the area of .490-.510 lift, this was measured it the factory recommended installed height for each spring and then compressed until it reached coil bind
Reusing the original springs that had been running of a stock engine with .380-.430 valve lift and then subjecting them to a cam with .080-.100 more lift and having them compress to near or at coil bind could induce fatigue very quickly.
The Melling MTF-2 cams .486 intake lift is probably not causing a issue but there's not much margin left before coil bind, far less than the .040-.060 recommended above
The exhaust .512 lift is probably causing the lifter plunger to collapse .005-.020 farther down into the lifters bore, this would induce a temporary loose lash condition that would sound similar to a mechanical cam with it's .015-.025 lash clearance
I had a 79 F-150 4x4 with a 400 I rebuilt using a Cam Dynamics 272 .520 lift torque cam and their recommended springs, no issues with that engine
A cousin had a 78 F-250 with a 400 he rebuilt using a different makers .508 lift cam with stock springs, after bending push rods a second time he called me, after discussing his build I told him the stock springs were most likely binding and needed replaced, after he bent push rods a 3rd time he swapped in the same springs I was using and never had another issue
Here's my take: A engine was built using a Melling MTF-2 cam and stock springs, there's what appears to be valve train chatter and now a broken spring, rather than installing more stock springs that will only fix the broken spring issue, install the VS280 springs recommended for the MTF-2 cam that should provide .048-.074 clearance before binding and see if both problems go away.
If one doesn't want to use Melling springs get some from another mfg that has similar specs
The springs that I've recommended before and have had good results from in this sort of applications are the Qualcast 32-909-D. At 1.800 they would give a little over 90 on the seat and open loads of about 240 and 250. About .125 from coil bind too. But they are too tall for the exhaust side if you're using the rotators.











