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Old Dec 7, 2021 | 05:06 AM
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I have a 2004 ford expedition 5.4l with the LSD axles. I havent owned the truck for to long, and living in the north east decided to test the 4wd the other day. I noticed when I put the truck in 4wd there was a humming coming from the front and the truck wants to pull to the right (fairly hard). Alignment is relative good when in 2wd. So I decided to change the differential fluid and trasnfer case fluid to see if this fixed the issue. Changed the fluid and it is still making the same noise and pulling. Also this time when I checked i rolled my window down and was able to hear a fairly loud clicking noise when going over 5is. The clicking didnt seem to increase (or if it did not by much with speed) Only went down the street like this and switched back to 2wd and the noise is gone.

Has anyone experience this issue? possibly fixes? I didn't notice any damage to the differential or metal chunks when I had the cover off. Does this system use a seperate vacuum line for each hub/axle?
 
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Old Dec 7, 2021 | 10:54 AM
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If it tries to turn to the right when in 4x4 and under load, it sounds like the left front IWE is engaging and the right front IWE is not fully engaged. The teeth may be worn down or you may have a vacuum issue which is not fully engaging the IWE.
 
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Old Dec 7, 2021 | 11:53 AM
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If it tries to turn to the right when in 4x4 and under load, it sounds like the left front IWE is engaging and the right front IWE is not fully engaged. The teeth may be worn down or you may have a vacuum issue which is not fully engaging the IWE.

THis is starting to make sense, and I believe my u joints for the front drive shaft may be on there way out also ( the clicking). Im in the north east and the truck is super rusty, but its a 100k mile truck in good shape outside of the rust issue that i got for $500 so i cant complain haha
 
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Old Dec 8, 2021 | 05:09 AM
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On the 2004 does the system engage the axles when there is vacuum or when there is no vacuum? Also does each wheel have its own actuator / solenoid?
 
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Old Dec 8, 2021 | 12:51 PM
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Originally Posted by chris032188
On the 2004 does the system engage the axles when there is vacuum or when there is no vacuum? Also does each wheel have its own actuator / solenoid?

Yes, there is ONE control solenoid behind the battery on the firewall, and an actuator ring on each front hub. When vacuum is taken away from the actuator ring the hub engages. So if you parked your truck on the ice or snow in 4x4 mode and turn the engine off the front hubs will stay engaged to help hold the truck in place.


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I read that, but i also read that in the f-150 that in 2004 the system swapped from adding vacuum to engage hubs to no vacuum engaging the hubs. I wasn't sure with the expidition if this was the same - wasnt sure if it was when they swapped from the 2v to the 3v and if that had something to do with it. My truck is a 2v.

Other quick question - Looking on rock auto there appears to be 4wd actuator, 4wd actuator valve, and 4wd hub locking solenoid which all look the same thats in the picture. Are these interchangable names or actually different parts?
 
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Yes, Rock Auto lists the same part in several places by different name.
I always cross reference the Ford part number ( you can search for it on FordPartsGiant or Tasca or some of the other Ford parts suppliers online....).
What kind of issues are you having with your 4x4 system ?


Motorcraft CX2046 Vacuum Control Solenoid at Rock Auto

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Old Dec 10, 2021 | 05:12 AM
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Originally Posted by Hamfisted
Yes, Rock Auto lists the same part in several places by different name.
I always cross reference the Ford part number ( you can search for it on FordPartsGiant or Tasca or some of the other Ford parts suppliers online....).
What kind of issues are you having with your 4x4 system ?


Motorcraft CX2046 Vacuum Control Solenoid at Rock Auto

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Im getting vibration / whirring noise in 2wd, and grinding/whirring is even louder in 4x4. I replaced the bearings about a month ago. Truck also pulls to the right fairly hard when in 4x4. So im thinking maybe the hub isnt fully disengaging / engaging
Did front diff and tc fluid.
 
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Originally Posted by chris032188
Im getting vibration / whirring noise in 2wd, and grinding/whirring is even louder in 4x4. I replaced the bearings about a month ago. Truck also pulls to the right fairly hard when in 4x4. So im thinking maybe the hub isnt fully disengaging / engaging
Did front diff and tc fluid.

Can you lift the front wheels up off the ground, and with the engine running and 2WD selected, do the front wheels free spin ? ( Do this in PARK, with the E-brake ON )
 
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Old Dec 26, 2021 | 01:16 PM
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Originally Posted by Hamfisted
Can you lift the front wheels up off the ground, and with the engine running and 2WD selected, do the front wheels free spin ? ( Do this in PARK, with the E-brake ON )

Finally had a chance to do this
​​. With the truck kn the wheels do freespin
 
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Finally had a chance to do this
​​. With the truck kn the wheels do freespin
Just to be sure, with the engine on does each front axle shaft rotate when you rotate the corresponding front wheel?

And then with the engine off do the axle shafts rotate when you rotate the corresponding front wheel?
 
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Originally Posted by pdqford
Just to be sure, with the engine on does each front axle shaft rotate when you rotate the corresponding front wheel?

And then with the engine off do the axle shafts rotate when you rotate the corresponding front wheel?

With engine off the wheels free spun and with the engine running the wheels also spun freely
 
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With engine off the wheels free spun and with the engine running the wheels also spun freely
So what I’m trying to get at, did the axle shaft turn when you rotated the wheel?

When you say the “the wheels free spun”, does that mean the axle shafts did not turn with the wheel?

If your front axle is not turning when you rotate the front wheel, that front actuator is not engaged.
 
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So what I’m trying to get at, did the axle shaft turn when you rotated the wheel?

When you say the “the wheels free spun”, does that mean the axle shafts did not turn with the wheel?

If your front axle is not turning when you rotate the front wheel, that front actuator is not engaged.
OK update with truck jacked up and off when wheels are spun the axle spins. When truck is running in park when I spin the wheels the axles do not spin, but I did notice drive side is much tighter then passenger side. For example passenger tide would spin a few times and driver side would immediacy stop (no axle spin though)
 
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