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On the tax issue I contend the road use tax that's attached to the pump could easily be converted to vehicle registration (tags) and based on vehicle weight and some formula to adjust the cost for mileage used.

A heavier vehicle will undoubtably cause more road damage than a lighter one and the ones that drive 100,000 miles a year will do more damage than those that might only drive 5k miles a year. Using that as a base equation factor it can easily be incorporated to ice vehicles eliminating the tax at the pump in a fair and balanced way."

Answer: Trying to pay that would kill new Sales !
You will be charged at the Meter to your home and at the pump of the Fast albeit City offerings of 50 kvh charger (fairly slow but to get back home with) ! Its easy to look at your back 10 years uses and charge your for you soon to be much higher usage KwH bills !

The important thing is you are using less watt hrs. per mile than you ever used in the past ! Most likely Mass transit or UPER is your future ! See ya sitting on lawn chairs !

 

It’s quite obvious that you’re not a fan of the changes that have started in the auto industry and that’s cool but, is it really necessary to keep beating a dead horse on an almost daily basis?

Many people are looking forward to the changes that are coming not to mention that they’re long overdue.

Your unrealistic and exaggerated scenario of charging an EV sounds like something in a doomsday movie.

Just enjoy your ICE vehicle and stop being so negative on EV’s.

 

I responded and decided hauling a 1200 -1800 lbs of dead weight battery around all the time not worth the effort. U know the old saying the hardest part of getting to orbit is the tons of fuel lifting off. I see the weight of my F150 and the 6500 Lb. weight of the EV F150 and know I can match its cost per mile by simply driving my F150 less. Thus the over all costs of the EV payments + charging are 5X the cost of my F150 needing a couple oil changes a year + a tank of gas every couple weeks.

I saw today a glut of oil again by spring and lower prices, maybe the cost of Gasoline will again drop a buck or so.

 

Saw this on another forum about EV charging times.

I had a collection of misadventures with Electrify America over the weekend, at one of their sites in
NJ where I'd traveled to [for a real live in-person conference/convention, yet! A bit of normalcy amid
the continuing madness!] I hooked up at head #1, and the card-reader refused to work. Head 2 [out
of 3] had a guy in a Taycan at it, who was getting a pitiful 40 kW or so trickle from his session, and said
that when the chargers had been installed, they'd been nice and fast, and recently were severely limited
for no clear reason. [Cable/connector coolant all leaked out, or what?] Head #3 looked like its card
reader might have been functional but the entire thing was saying "unavailable".

One reason a charger won't work... | Inside EVS Forum

So I called EA, and after several tries to reset the reader on #1 and/or the whole thing [embedded Windows,
poor choice] the gal on the phone said the people who could take payment deets over the phone [which
apparently *is* an option normallly] simply started a session gratis. Because of all the difficulties I was
describing to her, or something.

So then my car was only getting a 41 kW trickle too. Should have been substantially more, in the morning's
nice 50+ degree temps. While waiting, I wandered around the backend boxes of the installation where the
actual power supplies are, and found this: The door was actually open shutting down the charger !



which would not properly latch closed again no matter what I tried. I would have had to open the locked
front of the box and work the side-door latch handle, so had to give up trying to fix it. By numeric ID
correspondence, this was pretty clearly the box for #3.

I called in again and got the same person; I guess the callcenter is slow on a Sunday morning. I asked her
about the slow charge on me and the Taycan [had no idea], and I told her I'd likely found the problem with
head 3. While talking to her, I held in the button switch at the top of the door to simulate it closed, and she
could actually see that charger come back online after a while. So then I said "okay, I'm gonna let go of it
now!" and after another while she saw it go "unavailable" again.

The one or two locals I talked to in the meantime of all this confirmed that this site was *not* being
maintained properly, so maybe as the EA person submitted all of this into her ticket, they'll pay more
attention and start getting a clue about what "critical infrastructure" means. And I of course threw in
my usual complaint about app availability and lack of any alternatives to establish an actual account.

In all I was there for an hour, which should have been about half that if their shiny new ***** actually
worked as it should.

 

Yep EV will have to wait here at least another 10 or 20 years for the infrostructure rebuilds and support for it to catch up with demands of a former 19th Century lifestyle most likely ! It won't match the lifestyle of 20 years in the future either ! Well thas my choice and decision affirmative ! You know Liberals and their Liberal states can stick their decisions where the light never shines and suffer due to their own ignorance's. It won't change a dang thing as far as the Earth warming thing that has been going on for 10's of 1000's of years. remember the ice was 1 mile thick ! Yea Atmosphere CO2 scrubbers are a great idea Elon M. ! Why not build them here and forget about your stupid Mars Crap. Mars is Dead ! The Moon's dead. Sure a dedicated outpost on the moon makes sense. its the #1 protector of life on Earth of killer asteroids ! Mars is so ignorant a place to want to live !

 

Look, I get it. You have a lot of meandering thoughts about EVs and all the reasons they won’t work for you. And that’s great; I don’t pretend to know your circumstances or what you need out of a truck.

But the truck is being made whether either of us like it or not. And plenty of us are happy to accept those trade-offs. So if you want to keep dumping on EVs, please take it elsewhere. We’re tired of hearing it, and it just doesn’t contribute to this thread or the Lightning forum as a whole. Either contribute something useful or go away.

 

You know I like the Idea of an Electric F150. I wish all who drive short distances the best as they will love it. I simply see the future different and it needs a whole hell of a lot of Electric power generation to make it come true. So Good Health to this Thread. I do like all the comments ! But I don't / won't buy it ! As far as meandering goes, its your idea to sell the idea, mine to pick it apart. So I still don't buy it, most likely never ! And I have closed this thread repeatedly. It seems to awake me with its even more stupid ideas about actual stupid realities. The fact is its / they / the most actual future is 30 years at least in the future. So far the few charger stations I have frequented are Mt by my observations in them as were the first stations for the Hybrids 10 years ago ! Again its a daily local driver ! and thats a good obvious point not a real world driver of distance. My offer to the thred is look at your 18,000 / 20,000 miles driven a year and choose for yourselves. No way will I choose an EV over that !

Yea it my last entry not and I do not intend to cause Mediators headaches or complaints. Oh no way I want to be on a Highway ice covered with a 6500 lb. F150 ! My perspective is an electric vehicle is confined to a specific area. Take a Electric golf Cart. most likely 28 holes played and your a gonna carry your bag of clubs back to the 19thy hole and leave it there on the 11th hole cause no one is gonna haul you back cause your bunch is all alone out there on the back nine on a friday afternoon. An thas a fact of electric powered vehicles ! Without a plug in you are screwed qickly !

I guess the bottom line is accountability. Did Biden take an energy efficient way to view the Tornado damage in Kentucky. Ahh...No !
Did The Donald take energy effecient transportation to go to his Mar-La-go golf retreat. Ahh... No !
Did Obama ? Ahh No!...
So they don't give a Fx ! And how many billions in jet fuel did they blow up just because they could ! Now thas the real problem solver isn't it ! And you see they don't give a Throne dance !

By the time I get into a EV F150 extended battery truck its gonna weigh near or over 7000 lbs + with Snowball, my dog and Cats and weekend supply of goodies to go to our lake. No way ! Ain't gonna happen. Ice on the highway or not, not gonna happen. ever ! And t6hats without the Bass Boat trailer hooked up ! JHC what a Joke !

 

I’ll say this one more time. I’m asking nicely. Please.

Political hypocrisy and environmental merits are both topics that don’t belong on FTE. There are other forums for those, but they don’t belong here. And they certainly don’t belong in forums for the purpose of crapping all over technical discussion of an upcoming pickup truck. This isn’t the time, place, or audience for that kind of thing.

Take it elsewhere.

 

Some of you throw out numbers about how much cheaper it is to charge your truck vs put gas in it. What you forget is that if you are away from home you will be paying a price way higher than what you can charge it for at home. Also as was stated you can expect to pay a road tax on your electric vehicle.
Then you forget to take into account the large premium you pay for an electric (or hybrid) vehicle.
Then you gotta plan on replacing the batteries somewhere after the 10 year mark. Knowing the battery manufacturers they have built the batteries to last just after your warranty fails. What do you expect batteries to cost?
For me until they come out with a truck with a 600 mile range or they have fast chargers at every gas station/restaurant I don't see that they will be of any benefit to me and a lot of folks

My little $18000 Kia Rio gets from 38-40 mpg every time I take it out. This is on short around town trips. I haven't taken a long highway trip yet. No way would I trade it for an all electric car that costs me 10k more

 

Sometimes I feel like I’m talking(typing?) to myself.

IF you come here to crap all over the Lightning, then find another forum to do it in. Whether any of us like it or not, Ford is making the truck, and a lot of us are interested in it. This is the forum for that truck. If you don’t like it, feel free to lurk or fly right by as you scroll down to the forum of your truck of choice.

 

I’m looking forward to it, based on my reservation number I’m likely looking at over two years until delivery. I don’t think there’s a real premium for the cost of this since it’s priced roughly in line with what a comparable gas F-150 costs. I’m not worried about road trips or towing 20k pounds, that’s what the F350 is for or my wife’s truck for road trips. I guess if you want to **** all over it that’s your right, it is obvious it’s a valid choice for over 200,000 people that put in a reservation for one. So PT, carry on with your long winded meandering stream of consciousness diatribes if you must.

 

No. Do not. That is not an option.

 

For me it has to pencil out $$ wise and be practical and it' doesn't. That my point and my opinion and I am free to express it as much as you are yours. If you like you can address my points in my post above, if not move on........

 

I don’t have to address anything; it’s not my job or anyone else on here to talk you into buying one. This thread was originally about the efficiency of the Lightning, but got drug sideways by folks with no intention of buying one. And I’ve never said those reasons weren’t valid. But that’s like me going down to the Large Truck forum and telling everyone why the F750 is stupid because it won’t fit in my garage.

I think this one has run its course. Thread closed. The OP is welcome to start another one, which I recommend if we start to see some efficiency numbers.