250 Wh/mi is 25 kW/100 miles or 4 mi/kWh.
EDIT: Oh I see what you meant......if the Lightning is about half then it would be 50 kW/100 miles. I think you are right in there for the most part. I come up with about 45 kW/100 miles for the Lightning....
As far as the M3 efficiency.....that is pretty good IMO. My FFE would get 4 mi/kWh but it's quite small. The M3 has MUCH more room for rear passengers, cargo and even a front compartment so to achieve a 4 number is really pretty good. You must have reasonable driving habits.
I get about 3.3 maybe 3.4 mi/kWh in my Mach-E but it is MUCH larger than my FFE and much heavier and way faster to boot. I am happy to trade some efficiency for a lot more usability.

 

The 3 is a really amazing car, but mine was the standard range model which was hobbled by the tiny 50 kWh battery pack. They rated the car for 240 miles, but Tesla is far more optimistic on their range estimates than everyone else. I can’t think of a situation in Minnesota where I could have made it that far because of how fast the roads are. I could see it happening at 45 MPH in warm weather, but I certainly never saw it.

What interests me most about the Lightning is that Ford seems to do a much more realistic job estimating range, and they advertise 300 miles carrying a load. I think this will be much more usable on a road trip assuming the public charging network isn’t a problem.

 

The other inconsistency in calculations is el cost per kWh, someone above mentioned they pay $0.125/kWh. We only pay $0.04/kWh. Others may pay less or a lot more. I figured on average it would cost me $8.00/300 miles. A whole lot cheaper than a tank full of gas.

 

Yes. Ford did a great job with range predictions and pretty much beat them in real world use.
My First Edition was predicted to have about 270 miles of range on the 88 kWh usable battery. EPA rating came in right at 270 miles. I actually get about 295-300 (closer to 295 though....)
On road trips it is less. I've actually traveled 235 to Tucson and back for a business trip and it said I had 22 miles of range left. I then drove home at 65 mph and made it with 8 miles remaining so yeah.....it does pretty well.
Actual road trip range after the first leg is 200 miles because DCFC is a snails pace after 80% so once it hits 80% then I unplug and head to the next charger.
I don't road trip in my Mach-E that much. The Tesla DCFC system is far superior to Electrify America. Well, to be fair.....when everything works as intended, then it is fine. The issue is reliability. The CCS network is nowhere near as reliable as the SuperCharger network. Still a ways to go in that regard.

You figure correctly. $8/100miles is pretty close. Might even be $6/100 miles at your rate. Of course it depends on average speed, climate, payload etc....

 

I have studied electrical powered vehicles enough to know a EV F150 can never make my needs of 600 mile range without charging it. I know the power formulas and what they mean in a perfect world let alone the imperfect world I live in. And the Hybrid F150 will kill me in gasoline costs so I know I need a Auto Hybrid with abut 50 MPG at $5 a gallon to do ok over the next 5 years on a weekly basis through out the Spring Summers and Falls.
Again if I was only a Burg Guy and usually 100, maybe 150 miles a day I would jump at the F150 EV. Nada for me, most likely never. I get the power factor that's actually just added time ! Unfortunately I do not have all that time to sit waiting for a charge to get another 100 miles and charge some more. They don't exist. I can easily wager they won't exist 5 years from now !

I sure wish all this was, could be so much easier, but going out that 600 miles , well it isn't happening here !

 

Don't buy one and your problem is solved before it ever became a problem.

 

Uh Huh. This Generation is for 5 years, maybe the next generation will be better for my needs. Meanwhile maybe Rapid generators actually will become everywhere like gas stations and Nuke power with Thorium will take off and become the driver of the next economy of 2030's. Meanwhile I see overall near 50 mpg gas mileages with a hybrid battery in an auto as a winner for me. I simply have to be able to do that 600 mile range in one 10 hour stretch.

For me I have already accepted a 10 year plan to get to maybe 50% green but this generation isn't gonna get there for me. I have the worlds best Wind Turbin and Solar Generation and its maybe 10%/12% here depending on a lot of things. Its a no brainer how long its gonna take !

Now where am I gonna find that 50 mpg hybrid over these next 2 years, cause everyone else wants one 2 !

 

Of course it won’t. You don’t need to contrive various mathematical formulas on why it won’t; there isn’t a single EV on the market today at any price that will. Ford has an interest in promoting the truck to the greatest extent possible, and they are only promising a range half of what you need. I look forward to the day that it does, but it’ll be a long while before electric trucks will meet everyone’s needs. It’ll take a revolutionary change in battery and charging technology, and that’s not likely to happen for at least the next few years. Solid state batteries look promising for a lot of reasons, but they are a few years from being used in production.

 

Yep its gonna take a complete change over. Power generation, Charger stations, convivence stops included for those who need a cup of coffee while the vehicle gets its 45 minute sagging battery face lift & maybe a audio book store to occupy them that are loosing their minds with boredom ! Sure hope Billionaires quit wanting to go to Mars and do something actually useful ! Ya can't treat population like cattle, they demand better !

I know tons of employees who ram in 45 miles a day, 90 + miles round trip & that's near an hour on the road each way & basically no including traffic that can be total hell with road work, wrecks and whatever else so they will easily be near a half tank of battery power per round trip. It will work for them.

I do confidently believe the F150 is a solid 4 hour use truck then a recharg. Thats not a bad situation. Even most all Contractors /Survey/ Plumbing companies do not drive their trucks 4 hours a day. The situation will come down to Charging it back up at the shop or at home. That gets into business expenses and how to cover those costs while at home thru the businesses.

 

I think knowing I can count on the F150 to be a 4 hour interstate speed driver is a great thing !

 

Your use case isn't ideal for BEV of any kind.....let alone a pickup version. You will be burning fossil fuels for quite a while if you need 600 miles of range. A FCEV might get you there though....you will still have to be able to refuel though and hydrogen stations are scarce. The most likely scenario at the moment is BEV for light duty vehicles and FCEV for heavy duty vehicles. Medium duty could be a hybrid FCEV/BEV. Then you will get your 50 mpg most likely. It's going to be a while though.....a long while unfortunately. I have seen a FCEV/BEV hybrid and it was very interesting. Class 5 truck.

 

I don't think any of my gas or diesel vehicles will go 600 miles without refueling, so I'm not sure how that is his benchmark. Hell my old Jetta TDI that got 50 MPG wouldn't go 600 miles per tank.


If you don't like EV's then don't buy one, it really is that simple.


The one thing that I think we need to start planning on is the government figuring out a way to tax EV's since the gas tax will take a hit if a good percentage make the switch, and the .gov never cuts spending when they can increase taxes.

 

On the tax issue I contend the road use tax that's attached to the pump could easily be converted to vehicle registration (tags) and based on vehicle weight and some formula to adjust the cost for mileage used.

A heavier vehicle will undoubtably cause more road damage than a lighter one and the ones that drive 100,000 miles a year will do more damage than those that might only drive 5k miles a year. Using that as a base equation factor it can easily be incorporated to ice vehicles eliminating the tax at the pump in a fair and balanced way.

I mean why should people have to pay road use taxes attached to gas at the pumps when their filling the cans for their lawn equipment or off road vehicles (which we do right now).

 

I went 570 miles today from 5:30 am till 3:45 PM. The actually out of the home driving was 5:45- 10:15 and 11:45- 4:10 arriving back at home with a refuel and a McDonalds stop. Spent 15 minutes in slow traffic due to Farm tractors and Combine on the road with field equipment ! Getting the hamburger was the longer stop. I am counting the time sitting in the cab driving and stopping for fuel and Food as what I mean about 600 in 10 hours. An EV would be most likely an 18 hour trip. You know you have to detour to a charger, sit in line while 300 cars in head of you charge, charge it for 45 minutes and then somehow fight the traffic back on to the highway. All this crap is about chargers and millions of EV & Trucks cars and they do not exist. Get ready for the Wal-Mart experience, poor traffic capabilities, bumper to bumper and headaches at the Quick Chargers 10 years from now is a no brainer for many years..

 

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On the tax issue I contend the road use tax that's attached to the pump could easily be converted to vehicle registration (tags) and based on vehicle weight and some formula to adjust the cost for mileage used.

A heavier vehicle will undoubtably cause more road damage than a lighter one and the ones that drive 100,000 miles a year will do more damage than those that might only drive 5k miles a year. Using that as a base equation factor it can easily be incorporated to ice vehicles eliminating the tax at the pump in a fair and balanced way.

I mean why should people have to pay road use taxes attached to gas at the pumps when their filling the cans for their lawn equipment or off road vehicles (which we do right now).

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The power Company knows your average power consumption KWH. Any increase can easily have a 12% road use tax added for charging an EV. + the rapid charge will have it added + profit for the owner added with the phone payment at plug in time. KWH is the easiest measurement that exists. When It comes to Gas and Diesel most all of who go to a Service station of some sort pay State taxes per Gallon. Sure Farmers and others who have business off road uses have different charges but the off Road Diesel fuel is also a horse of a different color.