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Old Sep 30, 2021 | 09:15 PM
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460 timing cover question

Obviously my truck doesn’t have the dipstick in the timing cover, but the cover does have the hole for it plugged by this pin/plug, but is the plug supposed to be further down in there or not? Is it hurting anything where it’s at?

 
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Old Oct 1, 2021 | 08:50 AM
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What year model is your truck? Your engine?
 
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1994 f250 460. I don’t know why my sig isn’t showing
 
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Old Oct 1, 2021 | 11:08 AM
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Originally Posted by longwhitexl
1994 f250 460. I don’t know why my sig isn’t showing
They don’t show up on the mobile format so if someone is viewing it that way they wouldn’t know what vehicle.

That is also having someone assume you are working on the vehicle in your signature and not something else.
 
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Old Oct 1, 2021 | 12:01 PM
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Originally Posted by My4Fordtrucks
They don’t show up on the mobile format so if someone is viewing it that way they wouldn’t know what vehicle.

That is also having someone assume you are working on the vehicle in your signature and not something else.
Does the vehicle really matter though? I mentioned the engine and that my truck doesn’t have the dipstick in the timing cover.
 
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Old Oct 1, 2021 | 02:37 PM
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Does the vehicle really matter though?


OK, sorry to be so blunt, but this is a dumb question. In what world is it better to give people who are trying to help you LESS information? How the heck do we know what truck you have, if the motor is original, or what? Have you owned this truck since it was new and you KNOW this is the original engine AND the original timing cover? If so, you should say that. That would be nice to know because it is my belief that someone used either an older motor core or at least an older timing cover on your truck. My truck has a 1990 460 in it and it does not have this. The simplest answer is that someone used an older timing cover and stuck that plug in there to cover up the hole. Such a timing cover would have been used on an engine with a front sump oil pan, which your truck does not have.

They don’t show up on the mobile format so if someone is viewing it that way they wouldn’t know what vehicle.
I am on my computer at home, but evidently when you post pics it deletes the sig? Cuz I can see it in his other posts on this thread, just not the original one. But you make a good point - how do I know he is working on the truck in the sig?
 
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Old Oct 1, 2021 | 06:48 PM
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Second Jas. Have a ‘91 460 from a van and no such provision in the cover.
 
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Old Oct 1, 2021 | 07:54 PM
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Originally Posted by jas88
In what world is it better to give people who are trying to help you LESS information?
When the information is irrelevant to the question. Does knowing the timing cover is on an engine in a 94 f250 affect your answer on whether or not the plug for the dipstick hole is where it ought to be?
 
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Old Oct 4, 2021 | 10:07 AM
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People are trying to be helpful. They know more about this topic than you do, that’s why you’re asking them and you don’t have the answer.

They’re wondering if you pulled this from that motor or if it’s a swap out motor because of the oil sump pump cover (usually comes in the kit to cover) and because the front oil pan bolt pattern on these covers shouldn’t match the engine that’s in this model year.
 
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Originally Posted by mikekozak
People are trying to be helpful. They know more about this topic than you do, that’s why you’re asking them and you don’t have the answer.
Nobody else seems to have an answer either, but I think the plug should’ve been further in so I tapped it in a little more.
They’re wondering if you pulled this from that motor or if it’s a swap out motor because of the oil sump pump cover (usually comes in the kit to cover) and because the front oil pan bolt pattern on these covers shouldn’t match the engine that’s in this model year.
I’m not sure what you’re talking about here. Oil sump pump cover? And the cover came off the motor in the truck so I’m pretty sure the bolt patterns are the same lol
 
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Old Oct 4, 2021 | 12:28 PM
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Originally Posted by longwhitexl
Nobody else seems to have an answer either, but I think the plug should’ve been further in so I tapped it in a little more.

I’m not sure what you’re talking about here. Oil sump pump cover? And the cover came off the motor in the truck so I’m pretty sure the bolt patterns are the same lol
what that means if he was correct is that you are possibly looking at a replacement 460 which would have a much different placement in a vehicle chasssi like a motor home than a truck. And if it had a dipstick or a fill or something there for that fact it would become un needed in a truck or not fit. And then a machined pole(strange choice) as pt in and that kept it sealed.

can you just find the derivative on the engine to determine it’s original year and application it probably is the same otherwise but everything was made to fit the truck so accessories swapped etc

or.


it was possibly a van?? Maybe it was a special instrument or tool opening made by a PO or it has a pn on the cover that isn’t for that engine. I have a late 80s 302 timings cover For some reason. I don’t know why. It and the thermostat housing i have come up as fox body mustang but I can’t actúally find them referenced
 
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Originally Posted by longwhitexl
Obviously my truck doesn’t have the dipstick in the timing cover, but the cover does have the hole for it plugged by this pin/plug, but is the plug supposed to be further down in there or not? Is it hurting anything where it’s at?
I would remove it, either interference a plug like a block has or thread a fitting and seal. So it doesn’t get smacked and take a chunk of the corner out and by oil (presuming it broke the sealing ledge too)
 
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After googling a lot of new timing covers come with a hole for a dipstick in older vehicles at the front especially cars. Also, some trucks in 2wd had front vs 4x4 side? Anyway. If the cover has the right properties for your truck like the seal opening then just plug. It would be a nice place for a oil temp probe if oil sat there. Guessing in your truck it’s pumped through it and not submerged at all for clearance on mountings or cross member
put a dipstick and make life easier for you or just don’t Idk
 
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Old Oct 4, 2021 | 01:33 PM
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Wow AuroraGirl that’s a lot to unpack. I think it’s probably more likely that I have a replacement timing cover than a replacement engine, as the timing covers on old Fords are kinda known for rotting out (which is prob why yours was replaced). The oil pan has the later rubber/silicone gasket and the end bolt holes look like they’ve been drilled out for the bigger 5/16” bolts that go into the bottom of the timing cover. So I’m not saying it’s impossible for the engine to have been replaced, just seems less likely. I still don’t know what this has to do with wherethe dipstick plug should be. It probably doesn’t make a hill of beans worth of difference anyway. From what I’ve read though, it sounds like the factory oil cooler is a disaster waiting to happen, wonder if I should delete it...
 
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Old Oct 4, 2021 | 02:49 PM
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[QUOTE=longwhitexl;20093583 the end bolt holes look like they’ve been drilled out for the bigger 5/16” bolts that go into the bottom of the timing cover..[/QUOTE]


So you DO know what I mean about bolt hole patterns not lining up.
 
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