Please education me on this....

From the 2022 Build sheet the F250 models XL, XLT, Lariat and King Ranch only come with the "Connected Navigation" system-no built in (only Limited and Platinum).

The connected navigation comes with a free 90 day trail. It is my understanding after 90 days if you don't renew the subscription the Ford Navigation system is useless-"a brick so-to-speak" So if you want navigation you either renew the subscription, connect your phone (apple car play/android) or just use the phone by itself. Is my understanding correct?

Does anyone know what the renewal subscription cost is?

Thanks

 

Isn’t this the same as it’s always been? I subscribe to SiriusXM with traffic which made the maps live. Just seems that Ford is looking to get that money but if you don’t subscribe you just have normal navigation without live traffic.

 

That is how I am reading it. With the Platinum and Limited trims you get a 3 year trial of Connected Nav, and if you decide not to pay after the trial ends you can use the built in Nav. Not so with the lower trims (KR, Lariat), you'll just have a map on the screen.

 

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If we are correct...it looks like I will just pull out my portable Garmin GPS with life time Traffic and updates. Navigation on the 12" screen would be nice but my Garmin is free and works just fine.

 

1 FordPass Reward point per Turn.

 

Having had factory navigation on a 2017, I was not impressed. The 2 trucks since then have not had it and I'm OK with that. On the very few occasions I want navigation, the Garmin can be plugged into my desktop computer and updated for nothing before use.

 

If they get rid of the built-in Nav...then what's the point? Might as well go back to small-screen radios that give you the time and the station and that's it.

What has always drawn me to Ford and Ram has been the built-in Nav that would work regardless of where you were, unlike GM's Nav that required you to connect to OnStar to get directions.

 

My GM factory navigation worked as a stand alone unit, providing turn by turn directions, irrespective of OnStar. With my subscription to OnStar expired for more than a decade, the built in OEM GM Navigation still accepts addresses that I input, and navigates to them. It is also remains aware when I ignore the directions, and "recalculates" route from the location I deviated to.

Back when I had "Directions & Connections" Onstar, in the glory days when it was really a service, I could not only call Onstar up and ask for directions to a store... I could ask them to contact the store for me to see if they were still open, and, to find alternative stores that sold the same type of stuff, in case the first store I had in mind was closed, or didn't have what I was looking for in stock. I'd call Onstar to talk about the weather.

I even called Onstar to scan my vehicle over the air, as I suspected something was up with the transfer case. Admittedly, the Onstar lady didn't know what she was reading, but I knew she could see everything, so I guided her as to what to read to me. She read me the codes, whereupon I immediately recognized the root cause of the electro-mechanical problem. I then asked her to call the GM dealer parts department, and ask them if they had an Encoder Motor Sensor in stock, and to make an appointment for warranty service. She did both for me, all while I was on the road. That was the hey day of OnStar... sports scores, stock prices... all the stuff people get in the smart phones now that didn't exist back then.

Still, the on board navigation worked independently of Onstar.

 

The new nav setup on Sync4 vehicles doesn't appear to work that way unfortunately. You can troll the F-150, and Bronco forums for more details. My memory is a little hazy, and my 2022 is still in the 90 day free trial. What was posted before is correct "Built in Connected" just means that the vehicle comes with a 3 or 5 year subscription. If you don't pay the subscription fee, you lose the ability to search for destinations, and use it for turn by turn directions (IIRC). Again IIRC, I believe you still get the moving map display regardless of subscription status. Subscription cost is $80/yr. No monthly option.

 

Use the trial and compare it to the various navigation services available via your phone.

I think your phone will come out on top plus it’s free.

 

Ford's 'Connected Navigation Service' reads like using Google Maps. It dynamically loads from a cloud service. If you don't subscribe, it would use the built-in static maps.

https://www.ford.com/support/how-tos...ation-options/

If not subscribed by the end of the complimentary period, the connected navigation service will terminate, and the system will revert to embedded offline navigation.

 

Personally I never had an issue with the Ford on board Navigation systems in my 2015 F250. In my opinion I think Ford has messed up with their current connected navigation system. $80.00 a year subscription is too much when I can just pull out my Garmin and plug in in. For amount of money people pay for their vehicle with a navigation system they would not have to pay a yearly charge to use it.

I understand Ford is a business and a business exits to make money/profit-but I think Ford went a little overboard on this one. Just my opinion.

 

I had an 05 Corvette that used DVDs for the navigation unit with occasional updates that would come out so it ran independently of cellular service. The bad thing of course is an traffic updates which almost seem instantaneous when using google or apple navigation on the phone.

 

I don't have time to troll other forums... you guys keep me plenty busy up here.

But I am subscribed to this thread, because while I don't have any Fords with navigation, what is being described in this thread regarding Sync 4 will no doubt take a lot of older folks by surprise... who, like me, might expect the built in navigation system to not necessarily be up to date, and may not have any current traffic congestion or road closure information, but would still otherwise work in terms of location aware dynamic guidance for a destination entered, until that destination was arrived at or cancelled.

If an annual or monthly subscription is required for basic navigation to work beyond the free trial period (not just mapping, but dynamic directional guidance, limited to the data set downloaded into the truck when initially sold), then I doubt I would pay four figures for the OEM navigation option. For 4 figures, the aftermarket will likely provide a solution that doesn't require periodic payments.

I'm still questioning whether the concern identified in this thread is hysteria, or whether the fine print that @h20camper presented prevails.

 

That fine print is only for vehicles with "Connected Built In Navigation" which I understand is Platinum and Limited.

The rest of us have "Connected Navigation" and here is what it states for us:
"Reverts to a "moving map" with no destination routing functionality if a subscription is not purchased after the trial ends"

None of this was known to me at the time I selected the Lariat Ultimate package which just states that it includes "Voice-activated Navigation System with HD and SiriusXM® Satellite Radio" which one would assume means that the navigation will work connected or not just like it has in the past.

I get that premium features like live traffic, weather, updated roads, etc. might cost extra but this practice of shutting down the basic navigation features I paid for up front because I don't purchase a subscription is not cool at all!

Yes, there will be some very upset people that paid a premium for a Navigation system and got a 12" moving map instead.