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Old Sep 8, 2021 | 04:25 PM
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Connected NAV or connected with built in nav, connected is exclusively the subscription nav service, connected with built-in has the subscription service, plus it has the old style embedded offline nav. The built-in nav will continue to work even if you don't buy the subscription services, but you don't get the traffic and weather on it.

I, just got back from a trip over the last few days, and used the connected nav in my truck.
#1, it works okay with some caveats.
Biggest booger with it is that the routing you load will disappear if you shut the truck off for a period of time, like when I was on my way home last night and stopped overnight, got up this morning and my loaded route was gone, had to reload my destination to get the routing back.
Next biggest booger is that it doesn't save any routes, like if you go someplace often and want to have that route available the next time you go there, you have to reload the map. It does save past address searches, so you don't have to search them again.
Weather is great on it, gives nationwide radar, plus localized radar, cool to look at.
Traffic is okay, but the traffic alerts don't stay on the screen very long, so if you don't pay attention you can miss it.
The spoken alerts and directions play over any music or whatever else you may be listening to, very annoying interruptions, so I turned it off.

I also tried android auto with google maps, but it won't let you add stops or waypoints, so if you don't like the routing it gives, then you are SOL. That doesn't work at all for me, so I will have to come up with something else.
There is a good nav app that works with android auto, it is called SYGIC, I will be looking into that for myself.
 
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Old Sep 8, 2021 | 05:51 PM
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@Ltngdrvr THANK YOU!

The devil is in the details isn't it?

The most obvious and oldest features of a navigation system that we have taken for granted for the last 20 years since in vehicle navigation first became affordable for the 99%'ers...

Are now gone.

Not all things improve with time.

Deal breaker: Go on a long trip. Stop at a camground or motel each night. Every morning, have to reenter the ultimate destination back into the Ford Nav system again? Seriously?

So if I plan a multi-point destination route... to see Aunt Tiny in Idaho, Uncle Big in Wyoming, while ultimately en route to Yellowstone as the final destination... all those way points have to be re-entered all over again?

Every morning?

I entered my "home" and my "alternate home" destinations in my GM navigation 15 years ago... and they are still remembered 15 years later.

Even when the batteries are disconnected and removed from the truck. Put new batteries in, and wham same home points are there as if nothing happened.
 
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Old Sep 8, 2021 | 06:28 PM
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And we all know how good the map updates have been in the past for Ford SYNC systems. I think I will stick to my iPhone if/when I ever get to where I can afford a 2022 or newer truck.
 
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Old Sep 8, 2021 | 06:39 PM
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Originally Posted by Y2KW57
@Ltngdrvr THANK YOU!

The devil is in the details isn't it?

The most obvious and oldest features of a navigation system that we have taken for granted for the last 20 years since in vehicle navigation first became affordable for the 99%'ers...

Are now gone.

Not all things improve with time.

Deal breaker: Go on a long trip. Stop at a camground or motel each night. Every morning, have to reenter the ultimate destination back into the Ford Nav system again? Seriously?

So if I plan a multi-point destination route... to see Aunt Tiny in Idaho, Uncle Big in Wyoming, while ultimately en route to Yellowstone as the final destination... all those way points have to be re-entered all over again?

Every morning?

I entered my "home" and my "alternate home" destinations in my GM navigation 15 years ago... and they are still remembered 15 years later.

Even when the batteries are disconnected and removed from the truck. Put new batteries in, and wham same home points are there as if nothing happened.
Yup, exactly.
The NAV from my old RAM, was an alpine head unit that I installed, and it was based on a memory card, and it saved everything, and saved all routes if you chose that option, I had about 15 routes saved, and all I had to do was choose which route I wanted and it loaded right away without my having to reload all the stops over again.
That's why I'm looking into the SYGIC app, it is supposed to work the same way.
 
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Old Sep 8, 2021 | 06:43 PM
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I guess Im old fashion...I use my iphone maps on speaker.
 
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Old Sep 8, 2021 | 11:58 PM
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Originally Posted by Ding126
I guess Im old fashion...I use my iphone maps on speaker.
This. And all the other posts referring using phone based Google Maps etc, must be the reason why not much fuss has been made about the evisceration of critically basic elements of the OEM so called "Navigation" system.

And, in a bit of humor, this was the first time I've heard the term "old fashioned" associated with using an iPhone.

The first iPhone was introduced in 2007.

The in car navigation systems that formed the foundation of the aforementioned features whose loss we now lament emerged in earnest in the mid '90s, before Apple's board let Steve Jobs rejoin his company after John Scully ousted him in the '80s.

Perhaps those who don't wish to always have a cellphone do everything are the ones who are old fashioned. There are a lot times I go places without a cellphone. Those who have lived longer without a cellphone than with one can probably relate. It bothers me to have to have one in order to have a workable navigation system in the truck. That's what I pay for when I buy a vehicle with a Navigation system, as opposed to a vehicle with merely a screen, where one must be always tethered and tracked via cellphone.

If folks are using aftermarket apps in lieu of Ford's Sync 4 Navigation app, here and now would be a great time to talk about how you are working around these issues without a cellphone being a required part of the equation.
 
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Old Sep 9, 2021 | 11:54 AM
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I download Google maps to my Android phone so I can still have detailed navigation when I'm out in the boonies. Works OK for me.
 
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Old Sep 9, 2021 | 02:45 PM
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I didn’t care about Nav when I ordered my truck because I knew I was going aftermarket anyways. The aftermarket head units are so much more capable in terms of music, video, customization, and of course, navigation. I updated the maps upon installation of my Pioneer head unit with a USB stick for free. It has never failed to accurately get me to a destination yet.

And many folks don’t realize that not everyone has or wants an unlimited data plan from their phone carrier. I don’t have unlimited data, so using a phone for navigation is out of the question. I will use Waze for short periods of time around known hot-spots to monitor police activity and/or traffic backups on the interstate and their cause.
 
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Old Sep 9, 2021 | 04:38 PM
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Originally Posted by ATC Crazy
And many folks don’t realize that not everyone has or wants an unlimited data plan from their phone carrier. I don’t have unlimited data, so using a phone for navigation is out of the question. I will use Waze for short periods of time around known hot-spots to monitor police activity and/or traffic backups on the interstate and their cause.
I'm with you there. I'm on a limited plan that I share with the rest of the family. My wife watches the data usage like a hawk. I don't think my Google Maps use has ever been enough for her to say anything about it. I download the maps to my phone through WiFi at home.
 
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Old Sep 9, 2021 | 08:54 PM
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Originally Posted by HRTKD
I'm with you there. I'm on a limited plan that I share with the rest of the family. My wife watches the data usage like a hawk. I don't think my Google Maps use has ever been enough for her to say anything about it. I download the maps to my phone through WiFi at home.
I kept SiriusXM with traffic functioning on my truck even though the factory NAV still works, with the exception of live traffic. The main reason I kept live traffic on the truck was when cell phone reception is lost. When that happens Apple CarPlay or android auto does not help you at all. Satellite still rules, or satellite with traffic is even better.
 
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Old Sep 10, 2021 | 06:34 PM
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Originally Posted by explorer003
Personally I never had an issue with the Ford on board Navigation systems in my 2015 F250. In my opinion I think Ford has messed up with their current connected navigation system. $80.00 a year subscription is too much when I can just pull out my Garmin and plug in in. For amount of money people pay for their vehicle with a navigation system they would not have to pay a yearly charge to use it.

I understand Ford is a business and a business exits to make money/profit-but I think Ford went a little overboard on this one. Just my opinion.
Businesses love subscription services and retainers.

Onstar subscriptions start at $24.00 per month for the basic connected vehicle plan and goes up to $49.99 a month for their premium service.

You would get a discount for a year or multi year subscription and you could get them down fro that and save a few bucks.

Bob
 
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