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Me too. I was under the impression the camper package on a F-450 didn't change anything physically other than exchanging a couple bills for the certification on paper. They already come with the rear sway bar and 6000lb front springs.
The wide track front ends have a lot more wheel "swing" when steering than a standard truck so clearance to the fenders might be closer.
The Option states "Heavier Front Springs and Camper Certification Package" on 4X4 Models!
The Option states "Heavier Front Springs and Camper Certification Package" on 4X4 Models!
I found something that said
heavier front springs
additional rear springs
and the slide in certification
BUT, I think the additional rear springs are the standard dually over leaf and that would be optional on f-250’s
so….now that I think thru this….the camper package disclaimer on some lift kits is probally due to the over leaf springs being further apart from the stops…..so…the correction would be the over leaf spring large bumpers . That’s what I think .
heavier front springs
additional rear springs
and the slide in certification
BUT, I think the additional rear springs are the standard dually over leaf and that would be optional on f-250’s
so….now that I think thru this….the camper package disclaimer on some lift kits is probally due to the over leaf springs being further apart from the stops…..so…the correction would be the over leaf spring large bumpers . That’s what I think .
Thoughts
Be easier to say with pictures to look at or the truck sitting here in front of me. But seems to me unless you are changing the leaf springs themselves nothing changes at the overload leaf. The lower bump stops would need extended or in your case the sumo spring deals.
I'm still of the belief that your F-450 with camper package is no different suspension wise than one without. If you are looking at lift kits that have language to include SRW trucks then I would just ignore it.
The Option states "Heavier Front Springs and Camper Certification Package" on 4X4 Models!
Yes, but I think it's the same note used for all trucks. I don't know that it is true in the case of the F-450. I think Oaks has camper package on his and his door tag still says 6000lb front axle rating. Which is standard on the F-450 pickup, right?
Yes, but I think it's the same note used for all trucks. I don't know that it is true in the case of the F-450. I think Oaks has camper package on his and his door tag still says 6000lb front axle rating. Which is standard on the F-450 pickup, right?
Not sure, mine HAS the camper package w/6000 lb springs and I don't know anyone wo/camper package to ask!
Not sure, mine HAS the camper package w/6000 lb springs and I don't know anyone wo/camper package to ask!
I believe to wording on the camper package is it will give you one size up on the front spring unless the truck already has the max spring selected.
Everything else is the same on the f450.pickup, springs and sway bars are the same, camper pkg or no camper pkg
Here is a pic of a stock f-450 with the wheels I just ordered
These are 37’s
Looks tight so I was thinking of doing a small lift for two reasons
1) the wheel clearance
2) I want to buy fox 2.0 or 2.5 shocks and they do not come in 0 lift. You need a 2” in the front and a 3” in the rear at the min.
I don’t know what your seeing that I am not seeing….but let me brake it down…there is no 0 lift fox shock 20 or 2.5 offering for an 2019 f-450 . Note the the rear offering begins at 4.5 inches of lift.
tbis means I need to do a 4.5 inch lift if I am going to use fox 2.0 or fox 2.5, 4.5” is probally a good number any way for 37” tires.
Page 16, 2017-2018 F-450 Crew Cab pickup.....should be the same as your 19, they list a 2.0 for the front, 0-1.5", but the rear starts at 1.5".
fox used to have a pdf with part numbers and specs in terms of compres and extended length . It would be good if we’d site A had a part part number for the front and back and then some lay person line me can go to web site B and get the compress and extended lengths and compare to what’s the oem travel.
in the meanwhile, PMF explained to me how to measure my blocks and use that info to get blocks for the desired rear lift, u lots, top plates, etc.
so I’m getting closer.
the fox shocks is always a black hole .
I have bought at least 3 sets from 9000’s to fox 2.5’s all around and they never fit right. They are either 1/4 shaft exposed at rest or 3/4 shaft exposed at rest….so they bottom out quick or top off too quickly. Goal is to have them exactly center when the truck is at rest and have the correct travel range.
In my eyes there is no issue with 1/4 shaft showing as long as whatever that is in inches is enough to not bottom the shock. For example, my stock F-250 has about 1.25" travel till it hits the front bump stops, maybe another 1/2"+ of squish in the bump stop itself. So as long as the shock has enough travel left at ride height to not bottom when the bump stops are maxed out, plus a little, its good to me. Doesn't matter if thats 3" of up travel left on a 9" travel shock.
Most of the shocks for these trucks intended for 0-2" front lift have about 8" of travel, so 1/4 shaft would be 2". I can understand why you wouldn't be comfortable with that.
This has dimensions for the 0-1.5" front shock....
rear stock shocks have 10 inches of travel so having 2.5” shaft exposed with truck unloaded is a scary thing.
exactly what happen on my prior truck with fox 2.5’s.
even adding extra nitrogen didn’t extend the shafts.
the other spooky bananas in “FOX” speak that I wonder about is if when they say f-450 with 4.5 lift in rear is that stock becuase f-250 rear is zero, f-350 rear had 3” blocks so that’s 3” lift and f-450 rears have 4.5. Locks stock so they are saying that’s a 4.5 lift??. That’s why in think I need to measure compress and extended. I don’t want to lift it four inches and wind up being eight inches in FOX speak.
it’s raining cats and dogs right now so can’t measure til tomorrow.
For Fox 2.0 IFP part numbers I bought 985-24-154 (0-1.5") for the front and 985-24-151 (0-1") for the rear. At the time these were the part numbers for the F-250/350 shocks. This was after speaking with a Fox factory tech that would neither confirm nor deny they would fit the F-450 pickup since they hadn't had one in the shop to physically test fit. Because of that he cautioned me against using the website part numbers at that time for fitment on the pickup version. This was early February 2020. I see they still don't list the F-450 pickup on their website when you put in 2019 model year. However, if you put in 2017 or 2018 there is a crew cab pickup option now:
As you can see the rear part number for a 2.0 IFP in 1.5-2.5" lift is the same as what I am using now. When comparing tables back to back between the F-350 and F-450 pickup I see what you mean about the amount of lift not matching apples to apples with the rear part numbers. A 3-4.5" lift on the F-450 is the same part number as a 1.5-3.5" lift on the F-350. Does the F-450 pickup from 2017-2019 actually have a shorter block stock than a F-350 SRW truck for hooking up to trailers? That would make more sense with what Fox is doing with part numbers.
