Tree Huggers
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Tree Huggers
I've seen the coverage -duh- of the fires in california, and all it does is anger me. They worry about the fires burning their homes down, but heck no, can't kill a tree or harm a living plant.
I think there's an answer to the fires in california, It's called a D13.
Caterpillar makes it, pretty simple here. Put about 4 of them side by side and by jobe, in about 10 minutes you can make a serious fire break.
I don't understand why it's so bad to let loggers weed out the dead tree's in the forest so this won't happen in other places. Why can't they eliminate the underbrush.
Oh, and how good is this for those tree hugging *******s. Now they will complain a little more about air quality on the west coast and blame somebody else for it.
When as i see it, those tree huggers and environmentalists are why we have such a problem with fires.
I think there's an answer to the fires in california, It's called a D13.
Caterpillar makes it, pretty simple here. Put about 4 of them side by side and by jobe, in about 10 minutes you can make a serious fire break.
I don't understand why it's so bad to let loggers weed out the dead tree's in the forest so this won't happen in other places. Why can't they eliminate the underbrush.
Oh, and how good is this for those tree hugging *******s. Now they will complain a little more about air quality on the west coast and blame somebody else for it.
When as i see it, those tree huggers and environmentalists are why we have such a problem with fires.
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From: Lou a vull, KY
treehuggers & enviromentalist = losers
Go fight a real cause and let the rest of us enjoy the outdoors as God wants us too. Their always fighting us ATVers and the lands we ride on. Gee, I must not have got the memo that states the lands can only be used by these wackos who think they are doing something good. I say get a life and go fight a real cause like cancer, aids, etc. Better yet, go jump off a bridge and tell me what it feels like to fly with the birds..
I can say i'm against the clearing of rain forests in southern america.
Go fight a real cause and let the rest of us enjoy the outdoors as God wants us too. Their always fighting us ATVers and the lands we ride on. Gee, I must not have got the memo that states the lands can only be used by these wackos who think they are doing something good. I say get a life and go fight a real cause like cancer, aids, etc. Better yet, go jump off a bridge and tell me what it feels like to fly with the birds..
I can say i'm against the clearing of rain forests in southern america.
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Doesn't sound like you mid-westerners have ever seen or experienced a real fire, especially one that turns into a fire storm. They move so fast you couldn't manufacture enough heavy equipment to stop them.
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Indiscriminate recreational use of public lands has degraded both land and water quality as well as decimating certain wildlife species.
I know many of us like to offroad but a balance must be struck with those of us who don't.
The belief that there is no significant impact on the land is ridiculous.
BTW I have planted thousands of trees with a volunteer group in my spare time and I have yet to hug one.
I know many of us like to offroad but a balance must be struck with those of us who don't.
The belief that there is no significant impact on the land is ridiculous.
BTW I have planted thousands of trees with a volunteer group in my spare time and I have yet to hug one.
Last edited by sinjin; Oct 29, 2003 at 01:18 PM.
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EPA good. People Bad. Tarzan no like people. People make mess, not clean up after self. People cut trees, leave land naked fit for nothing but brambles and briars. People not take money from crop to put back in land. Land go wild. Fire eat land. People no get point. Keep up bad habit. More die. Tarzan sad. Why people not take care of own land? Why EPA come in and do it for them? Tarzan think people like green paper too much.
All Tarzan say. Go back to hugging tree with Cheetah and Jane.
All Tarzan say. Go back to hugging tree with Cheetah and Jane.
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tree hugger is just a figure of speech, they dont literally hug trees.
and no, the epa is not good. they are all morons who are out there to cause problems over nothing. i love the outdoors but theres a line between respecting it and just being stupid. the epa and other tree huggers cross that line. i respect nature but theres no point in causing other people problems about it like the epa does. 4wheelers and offroad trucks do not cause that much harm. everytime i hear something about environmentalists i throw away a perfectly good sheet of paper.
and no, the epa is not good. they are all morons who are out there to cause problems over nothing. i love the outdoors but theres a line between respecting it and just being stupid. the epa and other tree huggers cross that line. i respect nature but theres no point in causing other people problems about it like the epa does. 4wheelers and offroad trucks do not cause that much harm. everytime i hear something about environmentalists i throw away a perfectly good sheet of paper.
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The bottom line will be the eventual halting of outdoor recreation of ATV's and hunting by the treehuggers. Treehuggers are enviromental terrorists. We real outdoorsmen respect the outdoors and the game we hunt. If it wern't for us and the Pittman-Roberts taxes we pay for hunting, guns, ammo, etc, the outdoors would have been half paved over years ago.
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But, you weren't around when I was a kid. When there was no protection for the environment. When lube, gas, oil was poured out everywhere and anywhere people saw fit. When trees were cut right up to the bank of a river, stream or creek, killing the nature of that waterway.
On the other hand - there were no 4wheelers, no 4WD's hardly and the land was not desecrated. Now some of the old trails that we used to ride in horseback have been rutted so deep you can hardly walk up them, much less ride a horse.
Now - people rape the land, their own land, and let it just go wild. Weeds and briars take it over making it a vast kindling.
Take out the what you feel about the EPA and look at the laws it has created to protect our natural resources.
I wish everyone (private land owners) could do what the EPA is trying to.
On the other hand - there were no 4wheelers, no 4WD's hardly and the land was not desecrated. Now some of the old trails that we used to ride in horseback have been rutted so deep you can hardly walk up them, much less ride a horse.
Now - people rape the land, their own land, and let it just go wild. Weeds and briars take it over making it a vast kindling.
Take out the what you feel about the EPA and look at the laws it has created to protect our natural resources.
I wish everyone (private land owners) could do what the EPA is trying to.
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Originally posted by sinjin
Indiscriminate recreational use of public lands has degraded both land and water quality as well as decimating certain wildlife species.
Indiscriminate recreational use of public lands has degraded both land and water quality as well as decimating certain wildlife species.
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Originally posted by rebel_ford4x4
i think the epa has the right idea, but they go overboard with it and take away our freedoms in the process, thats what im trying to say
i think the epa has the right idea, but they go overboard with it and take away our freedoms in the process, thats what im trying to say
I mourn the day moderation and common sense was lost in this country. Unfortunately only the extremists get the attention.
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From: NE Texas
Originally posted by NRAJOE
The bottom line will be the eventual halting of outdoor recreation of ATV's and hunting by the treehuggers.
The bottom line will be the eventual halting of outdoor recreation of ATV's and hunting by the treehuggers.
BTW - are you talking about private land or public land when you state that the the treehuggers will put a halt to our outdoor recreation?
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From: Toledo, Ohio
Private land owners can do what they want with their land because it is PRIVATE. Public lands are owned by us ALL! It does not belong to a few eco-terrorists who would prefer we all stay in our little city abodes and never "bother" wildlife ever again. I am also disgusted by people who destroy things off of the beaten path and dump trash. I always leave an area cleaner than when I went in. The going sentiment is to punish everyone for the mistakes of the few...its a growing trend that is wrong and anti-American.
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Public land is what I was referring to also. It has become a dump in this region. So-called outdoorsmen have come out here from the larger cities and think they can just do what they want. They leave trails cut up, forests full of trash, they cut down trees several decades old just to use the limbs for firewood.
Yes, it is our land, but who is going to put a stop to the abuse? There are no organizartions formed to preserve it, no clubs whose members go around policing it. Every time I take my kids "back" into the woods where I used to hunt I feel violated because of the state of what "we all" call "our" land. When will it stop?
Someone or some "agency" unfortunely has to...if we don't.
Yes, it is our land, but who is going to put a stop to the abuse? There are no organizartions formed to preserve it, no clubs whose members go around policing it. Every time I take my kids "back" into the woods where I used to hunt I feel violated because of the state of what "we all" call "our" land. When will it stop?
Someone or some "agency" unfortunely has to...if we don't.
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[i] The going sentiment is to punish everyone for the mistakes of the few...its a growing trend that is wrong and anti-American. [/B]