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Old May 4, 2021 | 08:37 AM
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Originally Posted by Pugga
I used to use Fram also. Then, I leaned how crappy they were and have remedied my ways. You can ignore the data and keep using Fram until you finally do have a problem or do something proactive and switch to something better for your vehicle. Not like the Motorcraft filters are expensive, they're usually right on par with Fram.
Ignore the data? His personal data says he hasn't had an issue with anything he owns while using Fram filters. It sounds like you ignored his data. Millions of people use Fram filters in their vehicles. How often do you meet someone who has suffered from an oil-related engine failure?

A long time ago, before it was bought out, BobIsTheOilGuy.com used to do pertinent, real-world testing. Often overlooked by lots of people is the filter flow rate - which is as important as it's filtering ability. I can tell you that the Fram filters were not constructed as well as the Motorcraft filters but they did filter and flow significantly better than a lot of the "boutique" filters people pay a premium price for. K&N and Mobil 1 filters were the worst offenders by far. The problem is the filters themselves constantly change so without continual analysis your opinion is only as good as the last teardown / inspection of your favorite filter brand. If you read recent reviews of Fram filters on that web site you will see they are as good as most OEM filters - including Motorcraft.

After seeing those test results I decided the Motorcraft filters made the most sense for me. However, times change. If you look at a recent (5/2/2021) teardown of a Motorcraft filter vs a WIX filter you can see the WIX filter is superior in construction and filtration. The WIX filter has a wire backed synthetic media, the Motorcraft filter has paper media. I can get it delivered to my door via the online jungle river for $17.12. Which filter are you going to buy for your next oil change? You have been provided the data...





 
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Old May 4, 2021 | 10:08 AM
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I saw the videos on youtrube where they cut open a new filter and it has rust in it. I wouldn't by anything from them, even if there are no issues..... as far as anyone knows or can prove....
 
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Old May 4, 2021 | 10:53 AM
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I wouldn't by anything from them, even if there are no issues..... as far as anyone knows or can prove....
Yeah, man, that's why I only use organic artisanal oil filters from my local farmer's market. Can't trust anything I can't prove.
 
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Old May 4, 2021 | 11:27 AM
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Originally Posted by B-ManFX4
Ignore the data? His personal data says he hasn't had an issue with anything he owns while using Fram filters. It sounds like you ignored his data. Millions of people use Fram filters in their vehicles. How often do you meet someone who has suffered from an oil-related engine failure?

A long time ago, before it was bought out, BobIsTheOilGuy.com used to do pertinent, real-world testing. Often overlooked by lots of people is the filter flow rate - which is as important as it's filtering ability. I can tell you that the Fram filters were not constructed as well as the Motorcraft filters but they did filter and flow significantly better than a lot of the "boutique" filters people pay a premium price for. K&N and Mobil 1 filters were the worst offenders by far. The problem is the filters themselves constantly change so without continual analysis your opinion is only as good as the last teardown / inspection of your favorite filter brand. If you read recent reviews of Fram filters on that web site you will see they are as good as most OEM filters - including Motorcraft.

After seeing those test results I decided the Motorcraft filters made the most sense for me. However, times change. If you look at a recent (5/2/2021) teardown of a Motorcraft filter vs a WIX filter you can see the WIX filter is superior in construction and filtration. The WIX filter has a wire backed synthetic media, the Motorcraft filter has paper media. I can get it delivered to my door via the online jungle river for $17.12. Which filter are you going to buy for your next oil change? You have been provided the data...






Here out of pure boredom I went and bought the current Fram offering for the 6.7. There has been some obvious changes since Honeywell sold them to Trico. Definitely they are using a two layer media, front layer is a cellulose blend and the rear is a cellulose nylon blend with what appears to be a micro woven media.









 
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Old May 4, 2021 | 02:47 PM
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I noticed on the Fram filter that it says Made in China.
I stopped using Fram about 25 years ago and went to Wix for my Non-Ford vehicles and Motorcraft for everything Ford.
I wonder where the Motorcraft is made, now I'm wondering and will need to look at that. I will not be buying Fram from China anytime soon.
I normally use Puralator for my offroad toys.
 
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Old May 4, 2021 | 06:37 PM
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Originally Posted by ford390gashog
Here out of pure boredom I went and bought the current Fram offering for the 6.7. There has been some obvious changes since Honeywell sold them to Trico. Definitely they are using a two layer media, front layer is a cellulose blend and the rear is a cellulose nylon blend with what appears to be a micro woven media.
That's a nice looking filter inside and totally surprised me by the quality.

This thread has convinced me it's time to go cut open some 6.7l filters.
 
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Old May 4, 2021 | 06:45 PM
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That's a nice looking filter inside and totally surprised me by the quality.

This thread has convinced me it's time to go cut open some 6.7l filters.
I was actually surprised at the internals of the filter. Lowes had them on sale for $3.98 down from the $23.97.
 
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Old May 4, 2021 | 06:49 PM
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Originally Posted by shadowSVT
I noticed on the Fram filter that it says Made in China.
I stopped using Fram about 25 years ago and went to Wix for my Non-Ford vehicles and Motorcraft for everything Ford.
I wonder where the Motorcraft is made, now I'm wondering and will need to look at that. I will not be buying Fram from China anytime soon.
I normally use Puralator for my offroad toys.
Don't be too surprised on newer stock Purolator filters or Wix. Some have been changed to being imported. This is from the Mann Hummel acquisition of both brands.
 
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Old May 4, 2021 | 07:44 PM
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I like Donaldson for filters…

Fram went out of their way to make the single worst filter on the market for decades. It was an engineering marvel. I can’t imagine who would license that name for a jug of oil but I want no part in it.
 
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Old May 4, 2021 | 11:01 PM
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Originally Posted by ford390gashog
Don't be too surprised on newer stock Purolator filters or Wix. Some have been changed to being imported. This is from the Mann Hummel acquisition of both brands.
been using wix on three different vehicles for about 4yrs and they always been usa on these particular vehicles. bought one saturday and still usa. if they say china i wont use them no more
 
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Old May 5, 2021 | 06:17 AM
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I'll use Motorcraft on this truck.
On my 2006 Diesel I bought online some expensive filters, even a few extra, due to someone on here's recommendations.
Then gave the extras away on CL when I sold the truck.
 
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Old May 5, 2021 | 07:03 AM
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Originally Posted by B-ManFX4
Ignore the data? His personal data says he hasn't had an issue with anything he owns while using Fram filters. It sounds like you ignored his data. Millions of people use Fram filters in their vehicles. How often do you meet someone who has suffered from an oil-related engine failure?

A long time ago, before it was bought out, BobIsTheOilGuy.com used to do pertinent, real-world testing. Often overlooked by lots of people is the filter flow rate - which is as important as it's filtering ability. I can tell you that the Fram filters were not constructed as well as the Motorcraft filters but they did filter and flow significantly better than a lot of the "boutique" filters people pay a premium price for. K&N and Mobil 1 filters were the worst offenders by far. The problem is the filters themselves constantly change so without continual analysis your opinion is only as good as the last teardown / inspection of your favorite filter brand. If you read recent reviews of Fram filters on that web site you will see they are as good as most OEM filters - including Motorcraft.

After seeing those test results I decided the Motorcraft filters made the most sense for me. However, times change. If you look at a recent (5/2/2021) teardown of a Motorcraft filter vs a WIX filter you can see the WIX filter is superior in construction and filtration. The WIX filter has a wire backed synthetic media, the Motorcraft filter has paper media. I can get it delivered to my door via the online jungle river for $17.12. Which filter are you going to buy for your next oil change? You have been provided the data...






The pictures show the Wix to be more quality and craftsmanship oriented. My 2 cents.................I don't consider cost when buying tools or maintenance items for my equipment. It's not because I'm rich either. I am a one horse show, so it's easier for me, I do not have a fleet, nor do I want one.
 
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