Future Toy Hauler prep
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Future Toy Hauler prep
I'm looking at getting an ATC Toy hauler in the next year or so with a max GVWR of 11,440 lbs bumper pull. I have a 2020 3.5 eco screw with 3.31 gears and the 7000 lb GVWR package. So if I'm looking at everything right, my max tow is 10,700. My thinking is to get a class IV hitch and put 3.55 gears in it and that should bring me up to 12,700 towing, correct? Is there anything else I should be looking at doing to the truck? Not sure I will ever get the camper at full weight, since the base weight is 6400 lbs with 5040 lbs carrying capacity. Thanks for any assistance on this.
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Well the trailer you are looking at is going to have a 1800lb dry tongue weight. It leaves zero capacity in the truck. Remember the "Max Tow" rating as per Ford is achieved on a properly equipped truck. The trucks that came with the option and also included 20" wheels gained the full upgrade. This includes a different steering gear, sway bar upgrade, spring upgrades, frame is upgraded over LD frame and upgraded hitch.
The 12,700lb rating is only achieved in a 157"wb XL 4x4, 3.5 Max Tow and STX package. That's the only combination Ford has for that rating.
The 12,700lb rating is only achieved in a 157"wb XL 4x4, 3.5 Max Tow and STX package. That's the only combination Ford has for that rating.
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Too much trailer, not enough truck. I would not want to tow that much trailer with a 1/2 ton truck. I don't think it would be a pleasant drive. I also don't think the truck would last that long pushing over the limits of what it's rated for.
Where did you get that 2030 payload rating? If you're pulling some of those numbers out of the Ford towing brochure, they are, like ford390gashog said above, rated for a stripped down, very specifically configured vehicle. If that payload rating is from your driver frame label, then that's a different matter.
Where did you get that 2030 payload rating? If you're pulling some of those numbers out of the Ford towing brochure, they are, like ford390gashog said above, rated for a stripped down, very specifically configured vehicle. If that payload rating is from your driver frame label, then that's a different matter.
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OK...Door sticker says 1709 payload. This TH has a dry weight of 6400 lbs and hitch weight of 1200 because the generator is up front. With a 2000 lb SxS and stuff for the weekend should bring it up to around 10k. This is one of the lightest TH around. I can't believe there isn't anything I can do to increase the tow capability of this truck.
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Those are fake weights, get it on a scale. Now with your actual payload you have 300lbs less then before. There is no helping this situation.
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OK...Door sticker says 1709 payload. This TH has a dry weight of 6400 lbs and hitch weight of 1200 because the generator is up front. With a 2000 lb SxS and stuff for the weekend should bring it up to around 10k. This is one of the lightest TH around. I can't believe there isn't anything I can do to increase the tow capability of this truck.
However, you're looking at an ATC toy hauler which is an all-aluminum trailer. You may be better served by finding folks that own that model of trailer that can tell you what their real world weights are. I still think you're going to get too close to or over capacities.
This will be the ATC Game Changer Pro 2513? GVWR is 11,440.
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I pulled my 11K GVWR toy hauler with my Nissan Titan. I had the trailer completely empty to get it weighed for registration. The trailer weight came in at just below 8,000 lbs, which was 1400 lbs below the trailer capacity of my Titan. Since the trailer was empty, the tongue weight was way, way over what the Titan was rated for. While I only pulled the trailer between my house and the storage lot, it was a white knuckle ride.
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I have never pulled a fifth wheel. How does my pull capabilities change with my current truck set up. ATC's smallest fifth wheel has a 14400 GVWR and 2800 lb pin weight.
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Well you have 1700lbs available of payload, the 2800lb isn't going to work.
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In most cases, you'll run out of cargo/payload capacity long before you run out of trailer tow capacity.
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