Thinking about downgrading to upgrade
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Thinking about downgrading to upgrade
Hi all,
I need something to replace my 2004 F350 6.0 rclb for daily driving and towing a 30ft/6k TT, so I'm thinking about getting a 2021 F150 ccsb with the 3.5 ecoboost. I test drove one over the weekend and it was very impressive. I might have bought it if it had a hitch and tow package but it didn't, which is odd but whatever, it gave me the opportunity to get out of the dealership without committing to anything.
They were doing about 5k off which seemed like a decent discount considering how short supply inventory is. But what I'm also wondering is with all of the various factory shutdowns and then restarts that are causing these delays because of covid, is there any reason to think that there might be more QA issues than there would normally be?
Would it be better to wait until later in the year to make a purchase? Maybe better incentives?
I need something to replace my 2004 F350 6.0 rclb for daily driving and towing a 30ft/6k TT, so I'm thinking about getting a 2021 F150 ccsb with the 3.5 ecoboost. I test drove one over the weekend and it was very impressive. I might have bought it if it had a hitch and tow package but it didn't, which is odd but whatever, it gave me the opportunity to get out of the dealership without committing to anything.
They were doing about 5k off which seemed like a decent discount considering how short supply inventory is. But what I'm also wondering is with all of the various factory shutdowns and then restarts that are causing these delays because of covid, is there any reason to think that there might be more QA issues than there would normally be?
Would it be better to wait until later in the year to make a purchase? Maybe better incentives?
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Hi all,
I need something to replace my 2004 F350 6.0 rclb for daily driving and towing a 30ft/6k TT, so I'm thinking about getting a 2021 F150 ccsb with the 3.5 ecoboost. I test drove one over the weekend and it was very impressive. I might have bought it if it had a hitch and tow package but it didn't, which is odd but whatever, it gave me the opportunity to get out of the dealership without committing to anything.
They were doing about 5k off which seemed like a decent discount considering how short supply inventory is. But what I'm also wondering is with all of the various factory shutdowns and then restarts that are causing these delays because of covid, is there any reason to think that there might be more QA issues than there would normally be?
Would it be better to wait until later in the year to make a purchase? Maybe better incentives?
I need something to replace my 2004 F350 6.0 rclb for daily driving and towing a 30ft/6k TT, so I'm thinking about getting a 2021 F150 ccsb with the 3.5 ecoboost. I test drove one over the weekend and it was very impressive. I might have bought it if it had a hitch and tow package but it didn't, which is odd but whatever, it gave me the opportunity to get out of the dealership without committing to anything.
They were doing about 5k off which seemed like a decent discount considering how short supply inventory is. But what I'm also wondering is with all of the various factory shutdowns and then restarts that are causing these delays because of covid, is there any reason to think that there might be more QA issues than there would normally be?
Would it be better to wait until later in the year to make a purchase? Maybe better incentives?
With that being said, if you can find a great price on a new 2021, go for it.
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the F150 will have plenty of power for towing, but you need to really look carefully at WHICH F150 you are looking at, because the vast majority on dealer lots around here have garbage payload and would not be suitable for towing a 30' trailer.
Minimum for any really towing is the max tow package, and honestly, the heavy-duty payload package should be a consideration.
Minimum for any really towing is the max tow package, and honestly, the heavy-duty payload package should be a consideration.
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The model I looked at was an STX - everything I need, nothing I don't, with a sticker payload of just over 1950 or so pounds. I forgot the exact number but it was better than I expected. It was also way better than the Tundra CrewMax I had some years back that had a payload of about 1200 or so. We usually camp long weekends at campgrounds with full hookups, so even if the tongue weight is 1k, I have plenty of buffer.
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With what these trucks cost now, I'd rather not have to add or do anything to it. But at one of the Ford dealers near me they have almost the exact same STX with a HD Payload package, a 3.73 rear end, but with the 2.7 ecoboost.
From the reviews i've seen its a strong motor. Any first hand reviews towing in that range with the 2.7?
From the reviews i've seen its a strong motor. Any first hand reviews towing in that range with the 2.7?
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There is no HD payload pkg with an STX or a 2.7. Be very careful in doing your research before you take a salesman's word. The HDPP is a very rare find on a dealer's lot and can only be configured in certain ways.
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With what these trucks cost now, I'd rather not have to add or do anything to it. But at one of the Ford dealers near me they have almost the exact same STX with a HD Payload package, a 3.73 rear end, but with the 2.7 ecoboost.
From the reviews i've seen its a strong motor. Any first hand reviews towing in that range with the 2.7?
From the reviews i've seen its a strong motor. Any first hand reviews towing in that range with the 2.7?
I towed a 30' TT with a 16' F-150 2.7 Scab (7,700 lb tow rating) . It had a dry weight of around 5,300 lbs and loaded right around 6,000. I never towed with the tanks filled. I now tow that trailer with a Ranger. A properly set up weight distribution hitch (see youtube if you're not 100% sure on set up) and common sense are imperative when towing. Even my 2.3 EB Ranger will hold 55 mph with out much fuss going up long steep grades. Prior to these trucks and this TT I towed a 4,000 lb TT with a 2008 F-150 that would struggle to hold 55 up the same grade. How's that for technology??
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Dealing with the salesmen who generally seem to have at best a cursory knowledge of the products they're selling is the worst part of car buying. But in this case it says it right on the window sticker - 2.7 payload package and a 6900 GVWR.
The 2.7 has great reviews and if I didn't tow as much as I do I'd probably go for it. But with towing it's always better to have more than needed. No one's ever going to say I wish I had less payload capacity.
The 2.7 has great reviews and if I didn't tow as much as I do I'd probably go for it. But with towing it's always better to have more than needed. No one's ever going to say I wish I had less payload capacity.
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I’ve had the 2.7 and 3.5 eco. The 2.7 will pull that but I wouldn’t want to do it professionally everyday.
The 2.7 payload package gets you 3.73 gears and the 9.75” rear end (upgraded from the 8.8). The most important thing is the 3.73, also longevity should be more with the 9.75 but keep in mind many many overloaded and over worked Fords have used the 8.8 just fine.
You said you dont want to add anything but aftermarket swaybars, rear shocks, and frame mounted hitch is Way superior to the factory parts and probably not much more money. I think the cooling systems are exactly the same it only that stuff you get with the tow package. Those parts are pretty weak sauce from the factory, I’ve had 3 of the new aluminum F150s in different flavors.
The 2.7 payload package gets you 3.73 gears and the 9.75” rear end (upgraded from the 8.8). The most important thing is the 3.73, also longevity should be more with the 9.75 but keep in mind many many overloaded and over worked Fords have used the 8.8 just fine.
You said you dont want to add anything but aftermarket swaybars, rear shocks, and frame mounted hitch is Way superior to the factory parts and probably not much more money. I think the cooling systems are exactly the same it only that stuff you get with the tow package. Those parts are pretty weak sauce from the factory, I’ve had 3 of the new aluminum F150s in different flavors.
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The F150 2.7L EcoBoost with the "2.7L payload package" is rated to tow an absolute maximum of 10,100 lbs.
The F150 3.5 EcoBoost without any payload packages are rated to tow a MINIMUM of 11,000 lbs
the F150 3.5L EcoBoost with the Max Tow AND the very rare HDPP is rated to tow up to 14,000 lbs. (only available on certain low-option trucks)
The "plain" 2.7L trucks have really soft suspension from what I can tell. Of course, with any truck, payload is usually your limiting factor, and you shouldn't tow at 100% of the rating anyway. If I was doing much towing, I'd want a truck rated for a higher number.
It's all on page 20 of the Ford Fleet towing guide : https://www.fleet.ford.com/content/d...owingGuide.pdf
The F150 3.5 EcoBoost without any payload packages are rated to tow a MINIMUM of 11,000 lbs
the F150 3.5L EcoBoost with the Max Tow AND the very rare HDPP is rated to tow up to 14,000 lbs. (only available on certain low-option trucks)
The "plain" 2.7L trucks have really soft suspension from what I can tell. Of course, with any truck, payload is usually your limiting factor, and you shouldn't tow at 100% of the rating anyway. If I was doing much towing, I'd want a truck rated for a higher number.
It's all on page 20 of the Ford Fleet towing guide : https://www.fleet.ford.com/content/d...owingGuide.pdf
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The F150 2.7L EcoBoost with the "2.7L payload package" is rated to tow an absolute maximum of 10,100 lbs.
The F150 3.5 EcoBoost without any payload packages are rated to tow a MINIMUM of 11,000 lbs
the F150 3.5L EcoBoost with the Max Tow AND the very rare HDPP is rated to tow up to 14,000 lbs. (only available on certain low-option trucks)
The "plain" 2.7L trucks have really soft suspension from what I can tell. Of course, with any truck, payload is usually your limiting factor, and you shouldn't tow at 100% of the rating anyway. If I was doing much towing, I'd want a truck rated for a higher number.
It's all on page 20 of the Ford Fleet towing guide : https://www.fleet.ford.com/content/d...owingGuide.pdf
The F150 3.5 EcoBoost without any payload packages are rated to tow a MINIMUM of 11,000 lbs
the F150 3.5L EcoBoost with the Max Tow AND the very rare HDPP is rated to tow up to 14,000 lbs. (only available on certain low-option trucks)
The "plain" 2.7L trucks have really soft suspension from what I can tell. Of course, with any truck, payload is usually your limiting factor, and you shouldn't tow at 100% of the rating anyway. If I was doing much towing, I'd want a truck rated for a higher number.
It's all on page 20 of the Ford Fleet towing guide : https://www.fleet.ford.com/content/d...owingGuide.pdf
Question though, under the 2.7, I'm not seeing any tow ratings for both the SuperCab LB, and SuperCrew LB 4x4. Are there just no ratings for them, or can you not get the 2.7 in those c? Seems kind of odd, since you can get that engine on both configurations.
Thanks