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Old Jan 28, 2021 | 05:56 AM
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Ford sprays over the bolts, so no need to have them removed when the bed is sprayed. I personally would not want the bed sealed. It allows water to drain out. I got the UV protection and it has a gloss finish to it. It looks great but it allows things to slide around a lot more. With my old truck and the regular bedliner my tackle box, small tool box and 5 gal buckets would pretty much stay in place. With the UV stuff everything slides side to side when turning and front to back when accelerating. If you are doing it just for looks go UV. If you use a bed cover I would go with the regular stuff.
 
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Old Jan 28, 2021 | 06:08 AM
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Originally Posted by VA13FX4
Ford sprays over the bolts, so no need to have them removed when the bed is sprayed. I personally would not want the bed sealed. It allows water to drain out. I got the UV protection and it has a gloss finish to it. It looks great but it allows things to slide around a lot more. With my old truck and the regular bedliner my tackle box, small tool box and 5 gal buckets would pretty much stay in place. With the UV stuff everything slides side to side when turning and front to back when accelerating. If you are doing it just for looks go UV. If you use a bed cover I would go with the regular stuff.
Mine still drains at the front corners of the bed.
 
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Old Jan 28, 2021 | 06:11 AM
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Newer trucks have torque-to-yield bed bolts and they should not be removed. If removed, they are supposed to be replace with new bolts. You can ask to have them masked if you don't want them covered.
This^^^
Do not allow them to remove the bed bolts unless you plan on replacing them.
 
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Old Jan 28, 2021 | 06:23 AM
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This^^^
Do not allow them to remove the bed bolts unless you plan on replacing them.
Tell me what will happen if they are reused? Ford says that because they have a team of lawyers trying to save stupid people from suing them everyday. They can also make a profit selling bolts if they tell you to buy new ones.
Hundreds of thousands of these trucks have had their bed bolts reused (mine included) with no ill effects.
 
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Old Jan 28, 2021 | 06:50 AM
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Tell me what will happen if they are reused? Ford says that because they have a team of lawyers trying to save stupid people from suing them everyday. They can also make a profit selling bolts if they tell you to buy new ones.
Hundreds of thousands of these trucks have had their bed bolts reused (mine included) with no ill effects.
Torque to yield means that to achieve the appropriate joint preload the fastener has to be torqued to the plastic deformation region of the stress strain curve. Once the material is torque to the area of the curve that achieves plastic deformation, it will not return to its original shape/material property (less strength). So if you have a fastener that was originally a 120ksi UTS that is a single use torque to yield fastener and you reuse it, it will be significantly less than 120ksi. Will your bed fall off, no. But the bolted joints will not be as strong/stiff as they were designed to be from Ford.
 
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Old Jan 28, 2021 | 07:03 AM
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Originally Posted by raven_zilla
Torque to yield means that to achieve the appropriate joint preload the fastener has to be torqued to the plastic deformation region of the stress strain curve. Once the material is torque to the area of the curve that achieves plastic deformation, it will not return to its original shape/material property (less strength). So if you have a fastener that was originally a 120ksi UTS that is a single use torque to yield fastener and you reuse it, it will be significantly less than 120ksi. Will your bed fall off, no. But the bolted joints will not be as strong/stiff as they were designed to be from Ford.
I know what TTY is. You can reuse that bed bolt 15 times, and it will still be strong enough to rip the aluminum bed apart. I've reused engine head bolts, main bearing bolts, flywheel & clutch bolts, u-bolts, etc...
Sometimes common sense needs to override knee jerk fallacies.
 
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Old Jan 28, 2021 | 07:27 AM
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I know what TTY is. You can reuse that bed bolt 15 times, and it will still be strong enough to rip the aluminum bed apart. I've reused engine head bolts, main bearing bolts, flywheel & clutch bolts, u-bolts, etc...
Sometimes common sense needs to override knee jerk fallacies.
Obviously if you choose to reuse a fastener that is a single use fastener, then you assume responsibility for any failure of the component. If Ford tells you to reuse a fastener that may no longer provide a positive factor of safety then the liability rested with them. It called bolted joint analysis and material science, nothing knee jerk about it.
 
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Old Jan 28, 2021 | 06:40 PM
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Mine still drains at the front corners of the bed.
Well then you didn’t seal the seams like he’s talking about. I didn’t say Line-X would seal them. I suggested not having them sealed completely like others above suggested, unless he’s going to run a bed cap the entire time.
 
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Old Jan 28, 2021 | 07:24 PM
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Originally Posted by VA13FX4
Ford sprays over the bolts, so no need to have them removed when the bed is sprayed. I personally would not want the bed sealed. It allows water to drain out. I got the UV protection and it has a gloss finish to it. It looks great but it allows things to slide around a lot more. With my old truck and the regular bedliner my tackle box, small tool box and 5 gal buckets would pretty much stay in place. With the UV stuff everything slides side to side when turning and front to back when accelerating. If you are doing it just for looks go UV. If you use a bed cover I would go with the regular stuff.

I got linex and put these mat’s on top. So far they have prevented anything I put on the bed from sliding around.
When I take the hitch out I have a sheet I put in it’s place to cover the entire bed. Keeps the linex looking like new, although I’m not sure what that white drip is on the right side. 🤨
 
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Old Jan 28, 2021 | 10:23 PM
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Should brand new paint be sanded before spraying LineX?
 

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Old Jan 28, 2021 | 10:48 PM
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Originally Posted by raven_zilla
Torque to yield.....
Are the bolts believed to be TTY because of their physical appearance, or is there Ford literature that states this?

Any idea why Fords 5th wheel prep instructions do not say to use new bolts? It almost seems like they should include new bed bolts if its such a critical item.

Besides the hundreds of Line-X locations re-using the bolts on thousand of trucks every year, dealer service techs are also know to re-use the bolts. So whether its right or wrong it doesn't seem to be causing any problems.

 
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Old Jan 28, 2021 | 10:49 PM
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Should brand new paint be sanded before spraying LineX.
If thats a question, yes, that is part of their prep process.
 
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Old Jan 28, 2021 | 11:13 PM
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Originally Posted by 4wd6.7L
If thats a question, yes, that is part of their prep process.
Yes, that was a question. My apologies for my lack of punctuation.

I had it done long ago by a local lineX shop and they said with new paint it was not needed. Could be they have changed their mind.
 
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Old Jan 29, 2021 | 12:03 AM
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Well then you didn’t seal the seams like he’s talking about. I didn’t say Line-X would seal them. I suggested not having them sealed completely like others above suggested, unless he’s going to run a bed cap the entire time.
Ah, my fault. I must have missed that part.


Originally Posted by White 99
Should brand new paint be sanded before spraying LineX?
Yes. This is why the OEM spray liner is nowhere near as durable...because they don't prep (sand) the paint to promote good adhesion.
 
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Old Jan 29, 2021 | 07:53 AM
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Are the bolts believed to be TTY because of their physical appearance, or is there Ford literature that states this?
According to the parts finder, they are one time use. Don't know if that's because they are TTY or thread forming.





 
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