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Old Jan 8, 2021 | 08:45 AM
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Need Help Identifying Transmission

Hi All,
As the title says I need some help trying to identify my transmission.
Here is some truck background
1956 F100 Big Window Custom Cab
Original motor was a manual 3 on tree 6 cylinder with OD and that was replaced in 1966 with a 272 yblock casting number ECG6015D or C
I've pulled all the numbers I can find in or near the transmission. Please see photos
Any help would be greatly appreciated!






 
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Old Jan 8, 2021 | 09:54 AM
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that is a 3 speed (3 on the tree) transmission


 
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Old Jan 8, 2021 | 09:58 AM
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Originally Posted by Indybeer
that is a 3 speed (3 on the tree) transmission

Hi Indybeer, Yes but is there anyway to identify what 3 speed transmission it is?
 
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Old Jan 8, 2021 | 12:30 PM
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Could this be a Ford 259 3 speed or BW T86. I've searched through the pages here but can't seem to find anything that matches other than what Indybeer replied with. I've searched online too and can't seem to find much information.
 
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Old Jan 8, 2021 | 04:13 PM
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Are you looking to order parts? Not sure what you want the info for. It isn't a '60's 3.03 3-sp, which is a toploader, not sure what a Ford 259 is. The T-86 used in earlier Fords is similar, but different.
 
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Old Jan 8, 2021 | 04:21 PM
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I’ve always referred to that transmission as a BW t85
 
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Old Jan 8, 2021 | 08:59 PM
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Originally Posted by ALBUQ F-1
Are you looking to order parts? Not sure what you want the info for. It isn't a '60's 3.03 3-sp, which is a toploader, not sure what a Ford 259 is. The T-86 used in earlier Fords is similar, but different.
I'm asking because I'm trying to find out what transmission it is. This was my Grandfathers truck, he was the original owner. It would be nice to know what transmission is in it just in case I need to order parts at some point. A ford 259 3 speed looks similar but I'm not sure if it's it . I just saw it referenced from another board with this link
https://www.drivetrain.com/parts-cat...d-overhaul-kit
 
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Old Jan 8, 2021 | 09:01 PM
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Originally Posted by bigwin56f100
I’ve always referred to that transmission as a BW t85
Thank you bigwin56f100! That helps me out and gives me something to look into. I appreciate it!
 
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Old Jan 8, 2021 | 11:04 PM
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Tigger, I would be surprised if you can find somebody or a reference that can match these casting #'s to positive year and internal parts identification? I once had that quest.

If you are thinking to pre-purchase any internal hard parts in advance for a future rebuild, I would advise against it. Externally 53 – 56 and a bit beyond these transmissions all look the same and will interchange but there was a surprising amount of hard part variations inside these boxes. I know that '55 had a split year. Maybe gaskets, bearings and syncro rings have a wide application thru these years and that would be easy to check.

Some of you guys may be old enough to remember a common practice of “exchange” transmissions to minimize vehicle down time. Enough to give a gear head heart burn. tim
 
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Old Jan 9, 2021 | 10:12 AM
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Originally Posted by O'Mahony
Tigger, I would be surprised if you can find somebody or a reference that can match these casting #'s to positive year and internal parts identification? I once had that quest.

If you are thinking to pre-purchase any internal hard parts in advance for a future rebuild, I would advise against it. Externally 53 – 56 and a bit beyond these transmissions all look the same and will interchange but there was a surprising amount of hard part variations inside these boxes. I know that '55 had a split year. Maybe gaskets, bearings and syncro rings have a wide application thru these years and that would be easy to check.

Some of you guys may be old enough to remember a common practice of “exchange” transmissions to minimize vehicle down time. Enough to give a gear head heart burn. tim
Thank you O'Mahony for your suggestion and input. I don't plan on pre purchasing any parts in advance. The transmission is strong and working as it should be at this point. All this came about when I needed to pull the trans cover off to get the gas pedal removed as it had finally broken from the many years my Grandfather drove it. Once I had the trans cover off I was able to get a good look at the trans and get what numbers I could and decided to see if I could find any info about it.
 
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Old Jan 9, 2021 | 02:54 PM
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Tigger, all good. Super cool that you have your Grandfathers truck! I hope you are able to pass it on down to the next generation.
 
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Old Jan 10, 2021 | 10:14 AM
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I hate to be a contrarian, but I don't think that is a T85. The part number of the transmission case identifies it as a Ford designed and built transmission. The lack of top loading plate also eliminates the typical smaller Borg-Warner transmissions like the T-86. The square appearance of the side shift cover assembly eliminates the T-85 from the options. I think this is an early 50s Ford transmission. Before the mid fifties Ford did not add identification to their transmission, just "Ford three speed". If the side shift assembly looks like this (click for link), then it is definitely a Ford transmission.
 
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Old Jan 10, 2021 | 10:23 AM
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You could be right , that trans was used from 53-60 in trucks

edit: it’s called a ford synchro-silent trans
 
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Old Jan 10, 2021 | 01:24 PM
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There are several NOS 1A 7006 trans cases on ebay right now where the listing states they are for 49-54 Ford cars. My 1955 service parts catalog says it's for 53-54 w/overdrive.
 
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Old Jan 10, 2021 | 06:31 PM
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Originally Posted by 38 coupe
I hate to be a contrarian, but I don't think that is a T85. The part number of the transmission case identifies it as a Ford designed and built transmission. The lack of top loading plate also eliminates the typical smaller Borg-Warner transmissions like the T-86. The square appearance of the side shift cover assembly eliminates the T-85 from the options. I think this is an early 50s Ford transmission. Before the mid fifties Ford did not add identification to their transmission, just "Ford three speed". If the side shift assembly looks like this (click for link), then it is definitely a Ford transmission.
Hi 38 coupe and thank you for your input. I'll try to get out in the shop tomorrow to get a better look at the side shift assembly and a good picture. I appreciate your information. Every little bit helps.
 
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