Notices
1997 - 2006 Expedition & Navigator 1997 - 2002 and 2003 - 2006 Ford Expedition and Lincoln Navigator Discussion

fuel quality

Thread Tools
 
Search this Thread
 
Old Nov 22, 2020 | 06:01 PM
  #1  
donmi's Avatar
donmi
Thread Starter
|
Junior User
Joined: Aug 2012
Posts: 93
Likes: 0
From: Hope, BC, Canada
fuel quality

Why does the 2005 Navigator needs 91 octane and the F 150 with exactly the same engine "only" 87 octane??

Thanks!
 
Reply
Old Nov 22, 2020 | 07:17 PM
  #2  
Tedster9's Avatar
Tedster9
Post Fiend
Joined: Apr 2002
Posts: 19,311
Likes: 97
From: Waterloo, Iowa
How do we know it's "exactly" the same engine? I'm not doubting you, but I have no idea if compression is identical. The ignition timing curve may be different as well, that alone could account for that.
 
Reply
Old Nov 22, 2020 | 10:29 PM
  #3  
Spaznaut's Avatar
Spaznaut
Fleet Mechanic
Joined: Aug 2004
Posts: 1,276
Likes: 7
From: NE Tennessee
Probably ECU timing difference. I thought Navigator ran the 4 valve? Not sure when or if they ditched it.
 
Reply
Old Nov 22, 2020 | 10:31 PM
  #4  
ford390gashog's Avatar
ford390gashog
Fleet Owner
20 Year Member
Liked
Loved
Community Favorite
Joined: Jan 2004
Posts: 26,007
Likes: 575
From: Brentwood,CA
Club FTE Gold Member
Yes they were in fact the same engine when they went to the 3v 5.4. The 91 octane recommendation carried over from the old 4v for no particular reason.
 
Reply
Old Nov 29, 2020 | 03:22 AM
  #5  
Martynka's Avatar
Martynka
Mountain Pass
5 Year Member
Joined: Aug 2019
Posts: 151
Likes: 3
From: Poland
IMHO in modern engines is no metter, you can use 87 or 91, ECU use knocking sensor and change ignition time. On higher octane you can have better performance only when your ECU is tuned to this gasoline. I use 98 octane gasoline on my 2V 4,6 Expy. I use it because it's premium gas here ( cleaner and better for injection system ) but it nothing change compare to regular 95 octane fuel, car run the same.

the change of octane is felt in old carburetor engines where the ECU did not modify the engine operation.

but if you go to some tuner to change and tune up ECU map, you can use other octane than is in your car spec and your ECU will go better on this.
 
Reply
Related Topics
Thread
Thread Starter
Forum
Replies
Last Post
seldomseensmith
1999 - 2016 Super Duty
8
Feb 2, 2009 06:37 PM
pdqford
1997 - 2006 Expedition & Navigator
3
Mar 4, 2008 07:13 PM
BLackFenton
1997 - 2003 F150
2
Oct 6, 2006 05:54 PM
78bigunns
1973 - 1979 F-100 & Larger F-Series Trucks
10
Jan 12, 2006 07:34 PM
fyrhog
Modular V10 (6.8l)
23
Nov 17, 2005 04:56 PM




All times are GMT -5. The time now is 05:39 AM.

story-0
This Hennessey Takes the Expedition Tremor's Off-Roading Capability to the Next Level

Slideshow: The VelociRaptor Expedition gains a lift, upgraded suspension, Brembo brakes, and trail-ready equipment while retaining the stock 440-horsepower EcoBoost V6.

By Verdad Gallardo | 2026-06-12 11:01:55


VIEW MORE
story-1
Top 10 Fords at 2026 Carlisle Ford Nationals

Slideshow: Top 10 Fords at 2026 Ford Nationals

By Joe Kucinski | 2026-06-09 11:10:08


VIEW MORE
story-2
3 Best / 3 Worst Parts of Modern Ford Ownership

Based on years of owning multiple modern Ford products.

By Brett Foote | 2026-06-09 10:53:36


VIEW MORE
story-3
10 Amazing Upgrades That Solve Common Ford Truck Owner Headaches

SPONSORED: From muddy boots to rain-soaked cargo, these upgrades address some of the most common frustrations Ford truck owners face every day.

By Pouria Savadkouei | 2026-06-08 18:50:34


VIEW MORE
story-4
Every 2026 Ford Engine Explained

Here's everything you need to know about every Ford engine available for the 2026 model year.

By Brett Foote | 2026-06-05 12:58:01


VIEW MORE
story-5
10 Ugly Ford Trucks That We Still Kinda Love

Slideshow: 10 ugly Ford trucks that we still kinda love.

By Joe Kucinski | 2026-06-03 09:51:16


VIEW MORE
story-6
10 Things Every Truck Owner NEEDS (2026 Edition)

Slideshow: the best gifts for dads & grads

By Michael S. Palmer | 2026-06-03 15:43:58


VIEW MORE
story-7
Rezvani's Latest Post-Apocalyptic Monster Is a Ford F-150 Raptor Underneath

Slideshow: Called the Fortress, the 850-horsepower pickup combines Raptor underpinnings with military-inspired features, survival equipment, and a starting price of $285,000.

By Verdad Gallardo | 2026-06-03 11:38:36


VIEW MORE
story-8
Top 10 Most Expensive Ford Trucks Ever Sold on Bring a Trailer

Slideshow: 10 most expensive Ford trucks ever sold on Bring a Trailer.

By Joe Kucinski | 2026-05-27 16:24:34


VIEW MORE
story-9
2027 Ford Super Duty Buyer's Guide (Every Model, Engine, & Package)

Here's everything that has changed for the latest model year.

By Brett Foote | 2026-05-27 16:17:28


VIEW MORE