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Old Oct 25, 2020 | 01:51 PM
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350 versus 450 Regular Cab

Need advice for the 350 versus 450 for towing a 8.5' wide, 9' tall trailer with gooseneck to tail dimension of 38'. This trailer hauls styrofoam so it never exceeds 15,000# Gross Weight, but it is long and wide, so a tighter turning circle would be beneficial. I don't really want the diesel in the 450 as I suspect the 7.3 gas in the 350 would be fine. So the primary benefit of the 450 is the turning radius and bigger brakes are never bad. Is there any other reason to consider an extra $10,000 for the 450?
 
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Old Oct 25, 2020 | 01:55 PM
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Just buy a F450 with a 7.3 unless you are stuck on buying F450 a pickup.
 
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Old Oct 25, 2020 | 02:32 PM
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Originally Posted by Foamster
Need advice for the 350 versus 450 for towing a 8.5' wide, 9' tall trailer with gooseneck to tail dimension of 38'. This trailer hauls styrofoam so it never exceeds 15,000# Gross Weight, but it is long and wide, so a tighter turning circle would be beneficial. I don't really want the diesel in the 450 as I suspect the 7.3 gas in the 350 would be fine. So the primary benefit of the 450 is the turning radius and bigger brakes are never bad. Is there any other reason to consider an extra $10,000 for the 450?
It's $10000 more for the GAS F-450? That'd be a big NO for me if true.
 
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Old Oct 25, 2020 | 02:58 PM
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It's $10000 more for the GAS F-450? That'd be a big NO for me if true.
No gas engine in a 450 unless it's a C&C.

OP, why not a 450 C&C, sounds like your a commercial hauler.
 
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Old Oct 25, 2020 | 03:20 PM
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Originally Posted by 1olddogtwo
No gas engine in a 450 unless it's a C&C.

OP, why not a 450 C&C, sounds like your a commercial hauler.
This is what my son has on order, a 450 with the 7.3 and drop on a flatbed.
 
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Old Oct 25, 2020 | 05:07 PM
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The C&C is 15,000 minimum derated on the gvwr. 450 pickup 14,000 gvwr. 350 drw can be derated to 13,000.


Incase you do not have a CDL.
 
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Old Oct 25, 2020 | 06:39 PM
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Can put one hell of a Flatbed on a F450 C&C for $10K.
 
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Old Oct 25, 2020 | 09:03 PM
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Thanks,
Everyone is proposing a C&C, which I did not know offered the gas engine, so that is perfect. Thanks everyone.
 
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Old Oct 25, 2020 | 09:13 PM
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Do not have a CDL; What should I consider with derating? I only considered a flatbed being more expensive to register in California than a pickup, but only about $500/year if I remember correctly.
 
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Old Oct 25, 2020 | 09:43 PM
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Well you already in CDL territory with a 15k trailer in CA (9,900GVWR Max on Class C). You may want to consider a CDL especially if this is for hire.
 
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Old Oct 25, 2020 | 10:16 PM
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Do not have a CDL; What should I consider with derating? I only considered a flatbed being more expensive to register in California than a pickup, but only about $500/year if I remember correctly.
500 a year for registration that is ridiculous.
 
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Old Oct 25, 2020 | 10:23 PM
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Originally Posted by Lamoon78
500 a year for registration that is ridiculous.
I believe he means 500.00 more yearly. My 2020 F250 is 987.00, my 2019 F450 is 1370.00 and my 2016 F-550 chassis tagged for 30k is 1900.00 with the CVRA fee.

 
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Old Oct 25, 2020 | 10:46 PM
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Originally Posted by Foamster
Do not have a CDL; What should I consider with derating? I only considered a flatbed being more expensive to register in California than a pickup, but only about $500/year if I remember correctly.

I googled it and it said if your trailer is over 10,001 gvwr then you need a CDL. You would also need it if your combo is over 26,000.

So I would get them to rate your trailer to 10,000 if you haven’t already got it and get a truck that keeps it under 26,000 combined.

If you do not think you will be over 21,400 you could do a 350 srw at 11,300 or 11,400 which helps in your state and then a 10,000 rated trailer. If you get one with axles far back you may be able to gross around 12,500 without being over loaded at a weigh station.

Just throwing some ideas out.
 
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Old Oct 25, 2020 | 10:53 PM
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I believe he means 500.00 more yearly. My 2020 F250 is 987.00, my 2019 F450 is 1370.00 and my 2016 F-550 chassis tagged for 30k is 1900.00 with the CVRA fee.
Hell thats even worse yall can have that bull crap over there.
 
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Old Oct 26, 2020 | 04:11 PM
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Hell thats even worse yall can have that bull crap over there.
I've really about had it with this state. Worthless state unions and bureaucrats all they are.
 
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