E4OD 1-2 shift issues, on going battle
Using this to help diagnose this further. Thanks to @subford ! If he can chime in here that would be great.
Here is the run down:
1994 Ford F150 5.0 E4OD
Purchased at auction, 1 owner vehicle with 162,000 miles on it. Trans issue was apparent at purchase.
Current issue: Shifts slightly hard from 1st to second and a little from 2nd to 3rd. After that, mostly smooth sailing.
I've replaced the following
- VSS - Motorcraft replacement - Figured easiest solution
- TPS - Motorcraft replacement - Figured next easiest solution
- U Joints - Rear Drive shaft - Spicers - Decided to do it because it shifts into gear hard when going from park to drive but that seems related to this issue as that goes away when I disconnect and reconnect the battery.
- PSOM - found a rebuilt one on ebay - issue improved but didn't go away.
- MLPS - Couldn't find a motorcraft replacement, Power Torque from O'reillys - again, issue improved but not gone. Has become more so intermittent I believe.
Some intersections I take off and it's fine. Others not so. Maybe 3 out of 5 intersections it shifts a little hard.
One thing I've noticed is that, when I disconnect the battery cable, then reconnect it, and drive. Of course it's good for a while and shifts like butter. To be expected. What I've also noticed is that if I stay under 40 mph, I don't believe the issue comes back. It's only when I go up to 60 and more so up hills that it comes right back, almost instantly. I wonder if I stayed on flat ground, it might actually not come back.
I believe it's one of these top 3 that could be the solution to the issue:
- Tone ring - I just replaced the rear diff with 75-140w and sealed it back up. During that, I checked all the teeth and put a rag thru each tooth to clean it up. Thinking maybe some debris got on it or some surface rust that I can't see. No damaged teeth or surface rust found. No metal shavings in diff. I wiped down the tone ring and sealed it all back up. Installed fluid. That was 2 weekends ago.
- Spacing of VSS from tone ring - I just installed it when I got it but from what I read from the previous post, I should've checked spacing when I had the diff open. I didn't know at the time to check.
- Axle bearings? I haven't checked them and I don't believe they are showing any signs but I intend to inspect them soon.
I know the other options could be:
- Vacuum line - I doubt because every electronic item I've replaced, it seems like it's gotten better. It's less of a hard shift.
- ECC - Hopefully not but maybe
- One of the connections to the ECC - Have yet to disconnect those and clean them with electrical cleaner.
I plan on doing the following to further diagnose.
- Pull codes again and see if they've changed since the last few times.
- Inspecting rear axle bearings, see if they make any odd nosies or the tire shimmies at all.
- Lift rear end and run truck up to 30 MPH, while hooked to multi meter to the connection next to the EEC plug under the hook. Monitor the AC voltage
- Lift rear end and run truck, check rabs module HZ on pin 10 and pin 3
- Also might disconnect rabs module and drive it. See if issue goes away or not.
I'll post again soon with the codes. I forget the last few times I checked, what the codes were. All I know is they were the same codes. Maybe with the MLPS changed, things are different.
When I first got the truck I had:
157, 452, 658
Then after some updates:
452
And now I have:
628 - torque converter slipping
I really don't believe the torque converter is slipping. Seems to be fine when the reset everything.
If you remove the inspection cover from the front bottom of the trans you can see the torque converter. If the converter is slipping when it should be locked the front face will get blued, similar to the bluing on a gun. It only takes 50 RPM of slip to set the code. Can you detect that? I can't. The computer can.
When I first got the truck I had:
157, 452, 658
Then after some updates:
452
And now I have:
628 - torque converter slipping
I really don't believe the torque converter is slipping. Seems to be fine when the reset everything.
I'll double check the things listed above but from all the posts I've read, many Mark posted on, does seem like a converter is in the mix. Seems odd since it drives fine till the code is thrown but transmissions aren't my area of expertise. Makes me think it's more of a sensor issue or electrical.
In any event, I'll try the things I mentioned, I'll check the converter per Mark's suggestion, and see what results I get. At this point I'm assuming I'm replacing a torque converter.
That being said, any advice on replacing the torque converter? I've never done it but read up and it seems straight forward.
Anything beyond the converter I should replace? Some mention putting a shift kit in.
I have a new trans filter and gasket so I'll wait to install till this is done.
Didn’t get a chance to dig much further.
Was going to do a RABS HZ test but the multimeter I have at home doesn’t have HZ testing ability. I got two at work that do so I’ll grab those this week
Only thing I can add is that when I drive beyond about 50, there is a little play in the speedo. Not a ton. But it’s not steady. Maybe 1-2 mph sway. Not sure that’s a concern or not.
Still leaning toward torque converter?
So all electrical checked out.
One of two last things I didn't try:
1. Inspect torque converter for bluing
2. Check fluid further.
I went with fluid tonight. I checked it once before and I thought it was good enough. I read up more on how to properly check the fluid and I found the fluid to be a little low. On my dip stick I have two holes and then the hash mark is above those. The dipstick says do not add if within the hash marks. When I first checked, it was close to the top hole but not in the hash at all. I added what I'm estimating about 300ML to it and got it to the hash marks, about mid way.
Drove the truck after and hard to say it's fixed but it does shift better. I wouldn't think 300ML would make a difference but maybe it does? Anyone can chime in on that, that would be great!
Going to drive it some more and check again, see where it's at and also if the code pops again. If this solves it I'm going to drain the tranny and install a new filter and gasket and new fluid. Seems odd it would be low when I don't have any leaks from the tranny at all.
I'll look at the converter between now and this weekend.
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That all said, need some advice...
- Should I flush the transmission first?
- OR Should I empty the fluid in the trans first?
- OR install new TC and then flush the system?
I do have a new TC and trans filter with gasket. I also have 24 quarts of Mercon V, enough to flush the system and fill.
Any other advice is appreciated. Especially when pulling the trans and re installing. I have read up on how to do the TC removal and install.
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Alright, I'll dump the fluid when I pull the trans.
New gasket is a Hastings one and it's rubber.
I will make sure to replace the hub seal and bushing. Was weary of doing that as I've never done that before but I'll figure it out and find it from that manufacture.
Thank you @Mark Kovalsky for all the advice!
I'm ready to start putting it back together. I know how to put the pump seal in but my issue is lubrication for installing the torque converter.
So I'll fill the TC with 1 quart of Mercon V. Then my plan was to put a light coat of Mercon on the inside and outside of the TC neck, as well as the pump seal.
Some say to grease these, some say to use transmission assembly lube. Unsure which. To me, it would make more sense to use ATF/Mercon.
And then the nose (not sue what you call it, the front of the TC that meets the flexplate), some say to put a light coat of white lithium grease on it? Should I do that?
I'm looking for clarification and if I need to lube anything else. I assume the neck of the TC inside and out, the front pump seal on the input shaft, should be enough. Do I need to grease anything? If so what and what kind of grease?










