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Old Sep 2, 2020 | 05:26 AM
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leveled 350 squat with trailer question

so I love the look of my leveled 350 but when hooked up to the 5th wheel we just got it squats- I need to measure it exactly but I would say 1-2". I don't know if air bags or a taller rear block is the way to go-
I have a cclb with 2 piece driveshaft and a 3" block. I see 4" and 5" blocks online and I thought the 4" may add a little under an 1" so go for the 5" and gain under 2" of rear lift- slight rake again but not stock rake-
air bags- to level the truck does it add stiffness to the ride? never had them and cant see a clear answer there.

I think the trailer is a touch nose low and could stand to have the rear of the truck raised a bit to level it out? I need to hook up and take measurements on a flat section for sure......

 
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Old Sep 2, 2020 | 07:09 AM
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I would go with airbags, they work great, and you can set the level of the truck where you want it in all loaded conditions, rather than just trying to estimate the right lift and then still not have it exactly where you want it.

I also find the truck pulls better, but I am running a bumper pull trailer with 800 lbs on the hitch, with the airbags inflated, it not only levels the truck but it also provides a more stable ride, gets rid of rear end bounce over rough surfaces, and makes the truck more stable. I went with a simple installation, no on board compressor just fill valves, I find it easy to fill them with a simple Ryobi handheld battery powered air compressor, inflates the bags to 50 psi in about 1 minute,. I set it up with two separate fill valves, but put in a cross over valve, so I can run the two sides different pressures if I needed to, but can just open the valve, tucked under the rear bumper, and inflate them with one valve and that way they are both at exactly the same pressure, then I close the valve to prevent air from moving between the two bags, that improves rear stability in cornering, as the air can't move from side to side as the truck experiences side loads in corners.
 
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Old Sep 2, 2020 | 07:13 AM
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I went with timbren's. Install them and forget about it. I have an air suspension in my snowmobile and am tired of playing with air pressure. So far so good.
 
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Old Sep 2, 2020 | 07:17 AM
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Get on level ground and get a level or tape measure on the trailer to see if it’s level. If not adjust the hitch because it looks close to me.

It doesn't look like the truck is sagging much. I would swap the front level kit to a 1 or 1.5 inch lift and go about my day like normal...
 
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Old Sep 3, 2020 | 08:31 AM
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Leveled 350 squat with trailer

Doesn't look bad but would add air bags. I prefer no squat. I have a small, hand held pump. I don't mind occasional inflation adjustment, actually like controlling level.
Timbrens won't level it.
 
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Old Sep 3, 2020 | 11:21 AM
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UPPER Stableloads: https://www.torklift.com/rv/stableload


Remember Airbags, Tembrens, Sumo Springs etc take weight off the spring pack, the truck was not designed for that, you optimal handling will be with and engaged spring pack. I personally want my tow/haul weight spread across the spring pack ...but that is just the engineer in me, your truck, your $$, do it your way...
 
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Old Sep 3, 2020 | 12:02 PM
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Originally Posted by 17 Oaks
UPPER Stableloads: https://www.torklift.com/rv/stableload


Remember Airbags, Tembrens, Sumo Springs etc take weight off the spring pack, the truck was not designed for that, you optimal handling will be with and engaged spring pack. I personally want my tow/haul weight spread across the spring pack ...but that is just the engineer in me, your truck, your $$, do it your way...
Are you using the Torklift system on your F-450?
 
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Old Sep 3, 2020 | 12:11 PM
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Maybe I don’t understand. Truck comes from factory with the rear high, so that when loaded, it drops to about level. Some don’t like the unloaded looks and raise the front or lower the rear , so when unloaded it’s level. Now, leveled, you load 2 or 3 thousands lbs in the rear and it’s not level anymore. ?? Airbags, I think would be the right move to allow keeping the truck level in all conditions or just remove the shocks and weld in a pipe to maintain a constant ride height.
 
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Old Sep 3, 2020 | 01:05 PM
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Originally Posted by tomfordgt
Are you using the Torklift system on your F-450?
No even with almost 6000 lbs in the bed it sits level...no add on of any kind.
 
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Old Sep 3, 2020 | 01:06 PM
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Airbags are only good if you have an on board compressor and can inflate or deflate from the drivers seat. Otherwise, I agree its a pain to have air bags. Going Timbren's next time around.

Need to insure your 5th wheel hitch and pin box are adjusted properly. As stated earlier.. that squat is for a purpose also.
 
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Old Sep 3, 2020 | 01:39 PM
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When I grew up in the 60’s the cool factor was driving something that was jacked up in the back. Nowadays youngsters want the front end of their trucks higher than the rear. Then we have the type that only want 1 inch of ground clearance so they can scrape everywhere.
Maybe next year they will figure out how to bend the frames so the cab is higher than both the front and rear wheels.
 
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Old Sep 4, 2020 | 05:52 PM
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Just from the pic it looks like you don't have much clearance between the bed and the trailer. Make sure you adjust your hitch before you go trying to raise the truck
 
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Old Sep 4, 2020 | 06:59 PM
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Just from the pic it looks like you don't have much clearance between the bed and the trailer. Make sure you adjust your hitch before you go trying to raise the truck
Yeah. Dang. Long distance picture might be deceiving but sure does look like a tight fit.

Been there. Done that. Won the dented tailgate prize.
 
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Old Sep 4, 2020 | 09:15 PM
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Originally Posted by Grey SD
Airbags are only good if you have an on board compressor and can inflate or deflate from the drivers seat. Otherwise, I agree its a pain to have air bags. Going Timbren's next time around.

Need to insure your 5th wheel hitch and pin box are adjusted properly. As stated earlier.. that squat is for a purpose also.
Troublesome air bags, no one ever talks about their leaking air bags driving you nuts. Timbrens work.
 
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Old Sep 5, 2020 | 01:29 AM
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Originally Posted by Grey SD
Airbags are only good if you have an on board compressor and can inflate or deflate from the drivers seat. Otherwise, I agree its a pain to have air bags. Going Timbren's next time around.

Need to insure your 5th wheel hitch and pin box are adjusted properly. As stated earlier.. that squat is for a purpose also.
There are so many portable compressor options. I agree having on board air is nice for many reasons but not having it doesnt make airbags a bad option.
 
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