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I have a 2019 F150 with super crew cab and 6.5 ft bed.
I also have the the max tow package. The bumper sticker is pretty clear to me what the bumper capability is.
Now I am considering buying a travel trailer less than 6000 lbs.
It seems like I will max out the GVWR and Rear GAWR.
Please take a look at my number:
2 adults + 2 kids + 1 dog in the cab: 800 lbs
Canopy + cargo glide: 350 lbs.
A few things in the bed: 200 lbs
Trailer tongue weight + hitch: 800 lbs.
Total is 2150 lbs.
Can anyone please point out what does a HDPP have that my truck does not?
Heavier springs, shocks, tires and different final drive? Mine is 3.55
See the pictures below. My frame sticker says it is HD frame.
The axle sticker says it is 9.75B. What does it mean? is it a heavy duty axle?
Hypothetically, if I need to upgrade a few parts make my truck a HDPP to carry 300 extra pounds.
Other than the sticker, what parts do I need to upgrade/ swap?
Well quick observation, that truck wasn't optioned with 20" wheels. It also got the standard frame instead of the HPP. There is some difference overall but as you are finding the trucks lack payload. The HPP gives you more GVWR but Ford rates it for less towing. Ford uses a unicorn to advertise the 13,200. That truck is a STX 4x2 with max tow and zero other options. That gives you the required 20" wheels and all the frame upgrades along with max springs in a non HPP truck.
Not trying to hijack the thread, but we ordered our (yet to be built) truck as a 4x4 SCREW short box with Max Tow, But with 18" wheels. So for those of you more knowledgable - does that mean no 20's = also no Upgraded Stabilizer Bar, Steering Gear or Max Springs... But everything else on that list? (HD frame and Axle, etc...)
Thanks - Not that we can change anything with our order at this point, just curious...
OP: if you get all hooked up and have too much rear sag you could consider helper Air Bags (springs) - they help a lot on our F350 SRW when the camper is on and towing the horse trailer, oh and we changed to adjustable Rancho 9000 shocks - the combo made a huge difference in how the rig sits and handles going down the road. And yes we have scaled the whole set-up and are within all our weight ratings...
Not trying to hijack the thread, but we ordered our (yet to be built) truck as a 4x4 SCREW short box with Max Tow, But with 18" wheels. So for those of you more knowledgable - does that mean no 20's = also no Upgraded Stabilizer Bar, Steering Gear or Max Springs... But everything else on that list? (HD Mini frame and Axle, etc...)
Thanks - Not that we can change anything with our order at this point, just curious...
OP: if you get all hooked up and have too much rear sag you could consider helper Air Bags (springs) - they help a lot on our F350 SRW when the camper is on and towing the horse trailer, oh and we changed to adjustable Rancho 9000 shocks - the combo made a huge difference in how the rig sits and handles going down the road. And yes we have scaled the whole set-up and are within all our weight ratings...
Thanks,
Scott
That is correct, no 20's means no upgrades. Just the "max tow package" it gets you what Ford calls HD Mini 145 frame. You also can't get max spring upgrades on a 145 wb regardless if 20" wheels are selected. Ford only does max spring upgrade to HPP frames. I will say there is a substantial difference in front sway bar size. You can change your order just fine if the vin hasn't been assigned.
That is correct, no 20's means no upgrades. Just the "max tow package" it gets you what Ford calls HD Mini 145 frame. You also can't get max spring upgrades on a 145 wb regardless if 20" wheels are selected. Ford only does max spring upgrade to HPP frames. I will say there is a substantial difference in front sway bar size. You can change your order just fine if the vin hasn't been assigned.
Thanks 390 - We have a VIN and build is supposed to be 8/14, so no changing. The springs weren't a concern for us as we've already done a test with a friend's F150 and found a 2" drop draw bar makes for a level trailer and still some rake back to front on the truck. However, I would have liked the Upgraded sway bar and steering box (whatever that may be) - Always like to have more than I need! I should have considered just ordering the 20s and either up sizing the tires on them or swapping them with someone that has the 18s. Live and learn...
Order the sway bar and install, its very inexpensive through Ford. The steering gear is still an unknown as there is no verification of any difference in the gears nor is there in application part numbers.
Order the sway bar and install, its very inexpensive through Ford. The steering gear is still an unknown as there is no verification of any difference in the gears nor is there in application part numbers.
Thanks again - good information on the steering box and the sway bar should an easy swap - good idea!
Scott
Understood.
Can't change what the truck is rated for.
If I want to make it as close to HDPP as possible, what parts should I upgrade other than frame and axle?
Originally Posted by Robbgt
Unfortunately, nothing can be done to change your GVWR or GAWR once truck leaves the factory.
You can change parts all day, the factory rating stays the same.
Your best bet is to move weight from the truck to the trailer as long as your trailer stays under GVWR also.
The 9.75" is the more heavy-duty axle available - the standard axle is the super 8.8"
Understood.
Can't change what the truck is rated for.
If I want to make it as close to HDPP as possible, what parts should I upgrade other than frame and axle?
Somehow it seems ford390gashog knew your truck came with 18s, did it? If it came with 20's there's nothing to change because the frame is the difference. If you need to correct for sag or want to firm up the ride when towing, consider adding Firestone air bags and adjustable Rancho 9000s (you want to be able to drop the dampening when you aren't loaded down).
That's how I understand it...
Scott
On edit: your GVWR should be higher if you had the higher rate springs - and those come with 20's. My truck has the same 7050 GVWR as yours and Can't have the heavy springs...
Yes it does come with 18 wheels.
Do you suggest me upgrading the front sway bar as well?
Originally Posted by diesel_dan
Somehow it seems ford390gashog knew your truck came with 18s, did it? If it came with 20's there's nothing to change because the frame is the difference. If you need to correct for sag or want to firm up the ride when towing, consider adding Firestone air bags and adjustable Rancho 9000s (you want to be able to drop the dampening when you aren't loaded down).
That's how I understand it...
Scott
On edit: your GVWR should be higher if you had the higher rate springs - and those come with 20's. My truck has the same 7050 GVWR as yours and Can't have the heavy springs...
Yes it does come with 18 wheels.
Do you suggest me upgrading the front sway bar as well?
I'm going to on mine. With ford390gashog's information and input, we know we both have the HD frame (relative to each truck) as that comes with Max Tow - but the HPP frame which is even thicker (a tad) only comes with that package. Mine being a short box SCrew (145") could never have had the higher rate springs, but the way I read the table, yours could have but only if it came with 20's. You already have the stronger rear diff and I highly doubt they change the axle, just the spring package. So for you, adding air bags is like having the higher rate springs. Personally if I were you, I'd get my trailer and set everything up, load it all up and see how it looks, how it handles and most importantly take it to a Truck Scale and see where you really are at weight-wise. I'd only add the air bags if it had rear sag. The shocks I mention, Rancho 9000s, will firm up the handling without the bags, so you may need only those, or you may not need anything.
But yeah, I'd do the front bar upgrade regardless...
I'm going to on mine. With ford390gashog's information and input, we know we both have the HD frame (relative to each truck) as that comes with Max Tow - but the HPP frame which is even thicker (a tad) only comes with that package. Mine being a short box SCrew (145") could never have had the higher rate springs, but the way I read the table, yours could have but only if it came with 20's. You already have the stronger rear diff and I highly doubt they change the axle, just the spring package. So for you, adding air bags is like having the higher rate springs. Personally if I were you, I'd get my trailer and set everything up, load it all up and see how it looks, how it handles and most importantly take it to a Truck Scale and see where you really are at weight-wise. I'd only add the air bags if it had rear sag. The shocks I mention, Rancho 9000s, will firm up the handling without the bags, so you may need only those, or you may not need anything.
But yeah, I'd do the front bar upgrade regardless...
Reading between the lines here, does that mean there's a "regular" 145 frame and than the HD Mini 145 frame?
I know my weights really well, and between family, gear in the bed, and trailer tongue weight I'm never over 1800lbs, and usually around 1650 or so. I have seen some payload stickers in the 2000 lbs area, and that sounds ideal to me for sure. I know thousands of people are over payload rating, but I'd prefer to be a little under.
Reading between the lines here, does that mean there's a "regular" 145 frame and than the HD Mini 145 frame?
I know my weights really well, and between family, gear in the bed, and trailer tongue weight I'm never over 1800lbs, and usually around 1650 or so. I have seen some payload stickers in the 2000 lbs area, and that sounds ideal to me for sure. I know thousands of people are over payload rating, but I'd prefer to be a little under.
Only 2 frames available, Ford tags the frames 145 LD or 145 HD Mini.
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I should have considered just ordering the 20s and either up sizing the tires on them or swapping them with someone that has the 18s. Live and learn...
