Myyyyy brothas. I knew you were somewhere out there.

 

There's some Kool Aid drinkers out there no doubt. One's a moderator here who's a pompous @$$ that I last encountered here in the general diesel section about this very topic.

Anyways, I encountered a deleted 6.4 truck yesterday on the expressway. He was an aggressive driver with no use of turn signals. Everytime he hit the throttle, he belched black smoke. I was behind him and wanted to see if my stock 6.7 could keep up with him. It did. I don't know what tune he had or was running but I'm sure a good high horsepower tune in that truck would have given me problems.

I am wondering when I have my CAI, Banks Derringer and Pedal Monster installed, I want to see how I do against all the jacked up GM deleted guys and Rams. Usually it's the GM trucks that are jacked and have the offset aftermarket wheels. Maybe they think that the truck needs that so they can feel cool. I don't know. One time I was on the back roads when a GM truck went by me and I hammered the throttle. He did end up passing me but it wasn't as fast he probably thought it was going to.

 

Have to agree to some extent on all of it. And I have to say this there are some people that no matter how much you try to lead them by the hand and give them a leg up it just doesn't matter. Add to the fact that when you give them stuff (food, clothing, housing, medical care) it has no value and it's just GIMME GIMME GIMME from there and "why should I even try as they will just hold me back then and if I just lay here crying POOR ME they'll just give me more for free".

If this woulda been the attitude of my family when they first came to the US then we'd be really s%*$!#*.

Unfortunately I have step children from my first wife that when I closed my wallet and put the ATM out of service first they tried to take everything I owned and when that didn't work I don't hear from them at all.

 

At the CAT house we regularly have DPF filters cleaned locally by several shops, less than $400.
Even oil or antifreeze soaked.

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We're out here, getting more and more disgusted by the day as the Marxists destroy our nation and those supposedly on our side do nothing.

 

As a rule nobody is having any issues with their professionally deleted 6.7’s unless they beat and tune the spit out of them. End of story.

 

No one does delete's at a shop anymore.

 

I know the guys here who run deleted trucks with no problems. But they have stock power tunes or low power tow tunes. They maintain the trucks and don't beat them.

These guys who beat the trucks with race tunes and who possibly don't maintain them well are maybe flooding the used market with these "beaters" because we have been seeing a lot of new users here reporting buying deleted trucks with no tuners/tunes and having problems. Not knowing the history behind the truck could mean it's a bad truck or it could be a good truck. Like throwing the dice... But it's that way for any used vehicle even ones with the maintenance records. Some big money item could be close to going out. You never know what you're gonna get.

Not saying it's the deleted truck or tunes, but could the combo of beating the truck with race tunes and not ideal maintenance plus the fact of not getting tuner with tunes when buying the truck. Not having that tuner and not knowing what brand tune or type of tune you're running makes it impossible to troubleshoot or know where you're at.


it's funny you brought that up, bone. I was just talking to another copper who said once his warranty is up, he's gonna delete his 15 or 16 F350. He's got a construction business on the side. It's got 80ish k miles on it. He has a friend who owns his own company who has done his own trucks. Just runs stock tunes with great luck and no problems. Not sure of brand of trucks though. But I'm thinking Ford's. I'm good for now myself and want to see how far stock I can go. But it's nice to know I have another option. I now have two options as I have the card of another small shop that does them as a friend gave me a card so I have a name to drop.

 

I plan on leaving mine stock. Not because I'm afraid of wrecking the planet. Like me it will take care of itself. I just see so many guys having problems and the trucks that are stock seem to have fewer problems. Most of the stock problems are caused by the driver not driving on the highway to get a good regen finished. I also think buying all the stuff to delete the truck may be a wash if you buy the parts to fix the truck instead of a delete. It amazes me that dealers have these trucks on there lot and sell them. I wonder how long till the EPA gets wind of this and gives some of these places a visit. I feel mad for those unsuspecting buyers that get stuck with a truck that has been modified. My GT 500 has a tune and a smaller pulley on the supercharger. I will have this car for a few more years or till it scares the crap out of me LOL. Then I will return it to stock and let the next buyer do his thing. You get more money out of a stock car than one that has been modified.

 

Deleting will not cause your 6.7l to have "other mechanical issues"! It will eliminate the source of most of the mechanical issues you will continually fight if you do NOT delete. Deleting frees up your 6.7l to be all it was meant to be. It's your choice. Deleted mine and 50k later never had another problem, period, and engine is 100% intact and original except for the missing emissions junk.

 

I will run my truck stock for as long as I can. If I don't have major problems, I'll keep running stock. I have no problem buying another rocketship once the truck is paid off. I also have no problems replacing the emissions related components. I have no problems with the regens. My iDash 1.8 helps me keep on top of them. But I want to have options in case I need one... Or want one. Time will tell...

My friend has a 2016 that has 80k some miles. He's waiting until he's out of warranty at 100k miles. He also knows someone else for a second option. His truck, his decision. And he only wants the stock power level.

Again, if the truck is used as a work truck, pulls a lot, no long idling, and has a driving routine (like mine) that keeps the emissions happy, you'll usually only have minor problems like replacing emissions parts. Yes, there are exceptions to every rule.

My point being is that the delete itself is usually not the problem unless a rich race tune is used, the truck is beat down by burning the tires off, not maintained and by being abused. No doubt there seems to be more than a few new users here with new to them purchased deleted trucks. They have no records or history, no tuner or tunes and have no idea how the truck was treated and used. So it makes an issue out of the few who come here to get help. Not saying it can't happen, like the CP4.2 failures, but I don't believe it's a widespread problem. But buying a deleted 6.7 with higher miles, no tuner and no records is like throwing the dice.

As to deleted 6.7 Powerstrokes, I hear they run like raped apes. The only thing that delete tunes do, the stock power tunes, is keep all the fueling tables the same (if that's the correct term) and keep the ECM happy without the input from the emissions sensors. Engine oil will stay cleaner longer and can be run longer due to reduced soot levels because EGR is no longer recycled through the intake.

Now, I'm not against stock, emissions equipped trucks. IMO, all the DI gasoline engine equipped vehicles are putting more particulates in the air than our diesel pickup trucks (deleted and older) simply for the fact that there's more of them. In the future I believe particulate filters are coming for the DI gas engines.

Anyways, I also believe emissions technology will continue to advance to the point that it won't be necessary to delete as they will perform as well as deleted engines. I've heard here that the 20s use a more DEF heavy and less EGR routine to keep within the emissions laws. I'm sure new emission components as well as new injector technology will continue to clean up the exhaust in more reliable ways. But time will tell...

A stock powered deleted truck and probably one with a modest tow tune will last as long as it's treated right and maintained. The only thing that changes is the emissions components. That's all. The common perception of deleted trucks are race tunes. To run a fuel rich race tune on a daily driver is careless IMO. For a pulling or racing truck running a big turbo or compounds, great. Those get torn down often to check on the internals. Those are also beefed up with stronger parts. The more I learn the more I see that a deleted truck will run better than a stock truck. They also sound WAY better. But the future is emissions compliant engines and tuning. No doubt...

That's my take in a few words...

 

My truck is completely stock and I have over 150,000 on my 14 with the 6.7 and haven't had a single engine issue to date. My exhaust had to be replaced due to some low life bottom feeding scum sucker crawled underneath my truck while I was working in Edmonton 2 years ago, on my birthday no less, and cut out and stole everything from the down pipe all the way to just in front of the flange at the rear axle. Found out it was big business to steal and resell these systems for $5000.00, 4 in one week in Edmonton, as you had to have them to sell the truck to a dealer as they do check. By law it is illegal to modify/delete emissions equipment and to sell said vehicle. Any dealer is required to only sell a vehicle with all the emissions installed and functioning. Do dealers sell them deleted, yes they do.

I can tell you from my personal experience any time you modify from the original design you change the performance of the engine and shorten it's life. I've seen it when I worked as a motor vehicle and medium duty truck mechanic.

And it is also getting bad if you travel through emissions check states/areas, while driving in California I had an older 250 with the 6.9 Navistar and got pulled over and ticked as a gross polluter as I was idling in a 3 hour traffic jam so there was a slight haze to my exhaust.

I will not tell anyone to or not to delete, that is your choice and do what makes you happy. You need to understand there can and most likely will be consequences

 

. Did you have any computer issues we deleted it and now the computer won’t recognize it or something like that and it won’t start. It’s like a security issue or something

 

Whenever you do a delete you have to modify the computer. You have to contact your tuner company and they can send you a new tune or let you know what is wrong.
If you take your truck to the dealer for a repair make sure they don't update your computer.
Without ragging on you and I am sorry you are having problems but this is the reason not to delete.

 

Yes I got a mini maxx tuner but it wouldn’t work so we had to send the computer to some company to have it programmed. Now there’s a security issue and a locksmith is coming. Hopefully that fixes it and we hook everything back up and it works. And hopefully it’s still cheaper then replacing the DPF from ford