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Old Apr 28, 2020 | 09:48 PM
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Is this really a M-H?

I saw this all wheel drive truck on eBay. The owner claims it is a Maroon Herringbone.... that is how my auto correct spelled it so I thought I'd leave it in for a laugh.

There are no pictures of the undercarriage. There is no M-H emblem on the hood. There is only the instructions plate on the glove box lid. And it looks like it was a flatbed as it has the short running boards. Experts?
https://www.ebay.com/itm/1953-1954-1...AAAOSw2MVeh1yd


 
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Old Apr 28, 2020 | 09:55 PM
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Abe, It looks like your link is to an NOS door striker plate.
 
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Old Apr 28, 2020 | 10:04 PM
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Abe, It looks like your link is to an NOS door striker plate.
Well! I don't know how that happened? Thanks, Nick.

How's this: https://www.ebay.com/itm/1954-Ford-F...gAAOSwxOlepcdV
 
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Old Apr 28, 2020 | 10:39 PM
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There are some pics of the underside. That is the craziest drive system I've ever seen! Waiting for Stu's comments, especially on the purpose of the chain drive!


 
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Old Apr 28, 2020 | 11:07 PM
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You're right Ross. I didn't see that pic last night. Maybe he added it. Or I just missed it. Thanks.

Rethinking about the running boards. They are either long ones cut off or short ones from a bigger truck since they go beyond the cab but I don't think running boards on big trucks don't go beyond the cab, they are just wider?????
 
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Old Apr 29, 2020 | 01:11 AM
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According to the seller, that is some kind of auxiliary PTO.
Interesting

 
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Old Apr 29, 2020 | 05:44 AM
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I don't think so and I been wrong before but have not seen a Marmon from that era with
locking hubs yet I don't think they were invented yet !
 
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Old Apr 29, 2020 | 06:07 AM
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Real? Yeah, I think its “bones” are real. The transfer case, mounting cross member, linkage, rear lift blocks, and shock absorber drop brackets are real. The M-H data plate is real (assuming it matches the VIN) and shows it to be an M104 which means it was an original V8 truck rather than a six cylinder model.

But, its “frame on” restoration fails to cover up the replacement front axle with lock-outs, mix-matched bed/running boards, and PTO that probably was in service to its original bed or maybe to a winch. I saw this earlier iirc on CL before its trip to the paint booth. The seller gave fewer pictures then but was, as now, very proud of the 406 transplant. Regrettably I didn’t save its original pictures. These trucks all lived hard lives which the replacement axle shouts out to us. Stu
 
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Old Apr 29, 2020 | 06:53 AM
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Here's the walk around video.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UtRB...ature=youtu.be
 
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Old Apr 29, 2020 | 08:31 AM
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When my F2 was listed in the auction flyer it said Merryman Herringbone. I still refer to my own as that. On a side note I love listings that leave you asking more questions than answers. Why didn't they paint the dash, what's the big deal with a 406? It's just a punched out 390. I'm a big fan of the FE's and any 360 can be turned into whatever you want. The factory cast headers are neat, don't know why you would have them on a truck. And factory transmission? How do you mate a FE to what was a trans behind a Y block? I betcha that's not the factory transmission. I'd also betcha that's not a factory 406. Probably a 352/t98, but I'm not gonna spend 39,500 to find out.
 
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It cracks me up when these folks use the term "restoration" for what is clearly a non stock unit. To me, "restoration" refers to something that is taken back to "factory original" standards without any modifications. Anything else is some kind of refurbishment, refreshment, rebuild, etc.

Just my thoughts....

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Old Apr 29, 2020 | 09:45 AM
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With the relative frailty of some of the components and scarcity of replacement parts, it seems, to me, anyway, that trying to pump 400 hp through MH running gear is a recipe for disaster. Am I missing something?
 
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Old Apr 29, 2020 | 10:17 AM
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Originally Posted by 52 Merc
With the relative frailty of some of the components and scarcity of replacement parts, it seems, to me, anyway, that trying to pump 400 hp through MH running gear is a recipe for disaster. Am I missing something?
I had the exact same thought. These MH parts could be killed with 105 hp and to much traction. Why not throw 400 at it and let'er eat!!
 
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Old Apr 29, 2020 | 06:36 PM
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At first glance I thought ...wow...kinda cool.....but you guys are right ... it's not a restoration..... and the goods don't surpass the bads!...... that's the best thing with the guys on this site...you get pretty good observations from different people......
 
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Old Apr 29, 2020 | 06:40 PM
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When I was 21 I put a '63 FE (427) in my '57 Tudor Sedan. There was no problem bolting up a T-85 that came from a '56 car with a Y-Block. Seems like you could bolt up an FE to a Y-Block truck transmission if you used a '65 or later pickup bellhousing. The Ford "High-Performance" FE engines of that time period (beginning with the '60 352 HP) lived up to their title and were built with a number of special internal and external components. That engine very likely is a genuine 406. It has the stock dual-point centrifugal advance distributor, but I see an aftermarket carburetor, and I'm not sure those aren't the stock 406 (or earlier) cast headers - at least the one on the driver's side. The 427 headers were true "Tri-Y's" and were huge - doubt they would have cleared the steering box. My "sum-up" on the the M-H stuff is about the same as Stu's except I believe the seller stated the M-H plate and frame numbers do match. I'm trying to figure out the "jackshaft" and all the pillow blocks. I see an extra crossmember and a bunch of spacers as well. It looks like it's been that way for a long time, though. The transfer case looks about the same as mine, but unless it's hidden, (I think it is) I don't see the connection from the transmission to the input of the transfer case, unless they have it hooked up to that "jackshaft" somehow. I guess the "jackshaft" is all PTO routing. Nice touch to extend the transfer case vent - they should have done that at M-H. That bracket in front of the transfer shift lever must have been added to "hold it" in gear. I wonder if the new front axle matches the 4.27's that should be in the rear? I have to agree that it looks really nice - a good color, too! - Bob


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