Hello everybody,,,,,

I am getting rid of my old toy hauler for a new one. I am really interested in the Eclipse Iconic Pro Lite2715 SF. This trailer has everything I am looking for; living room slide, big garage area, and is aluminum sided. I've seen way too many newer RV's that are fiberglass that are already suffering some degree of de-lamination. My 2006 Skyline Trailrider aluminum still looks damn near new.

Here is where I have a problem. The trailer dry weight is 7740 lbs, dry axle weight is 6653 lbs, and the GVW is 9900 lbs. Once you add 100 gallons of water (at 8 lbs a gallon), and a side by side buggy that weighs 1500 lbs, you are already overloaded? If I am doing this correctly, 9900 - 7740 = 2160 lbs of cargo capacity. Add in 800 lbs of water you are left with 1360 lbs cargo. add in a 1500 lb side X side, and I am 200 lbs over, before food, clothes, and a slightly overweight dog.

Nearly all other toy haulers, regardless of construction, seem to have 2K to 3K lbs difference between dry weight and GVWR. So, are we all towing overloaded??
The big thing about this unit is its GVWR is under 10K lbs, so I won't have to go get a non commercial class A license that California requires for trailers over 10K. Can someone shed some light on this for me?

My tow rig is a 2015 F250 CC 4X4 Powerstroke.

 

What is the rating on the axles and tires?

Your math makes sense to me. I think with toy haulers they are depending on the cargo to either increase or decrease the pin wt with the load.

Where is are all the tanks at?

 

Another highly recommended suggest is to see if you can weigh it with your truck at a cat scale so you can get steer, drive and axle weight. Maybe a good portion is over the truck.

 

First, I would move out of California. Otherwise, look at Aluminum Trailer Company. They build some really nice trailers with very generous cargo capacities.

In most states, the Class A requirement doesn't apply to RV's. I can't speak to CA though. Colorado exempts RV from CDL requirements.

 

This trailer is a bumper pull since i need the bed of the truck for firewood, gear etc. A weight distributor hitch only rolls a small percentage of hitch weight to the trucks front axle.

i have not purchased the trailer yet, but it has load range D tires on it. Already in negotiations with the dealer to swap out for "E" tires if i buy it.

I don't think they will let me haul it down to the scale before i buy..........

 

We aren't all towing overloaded, but quite a few are. I have a Grand Design triple axle toy hauler with almost 4600 lbs of cargo capacity. Having said that, you always have to check closely to make sure you have enough cargo capacity to haul whatever you plan on hauling.....no matter how many boxes the other parts of the trailer ticks for you. Grand Design has a similar issue with several of the tandem axle toy haulers.....simply not enough cargo capacity to haul large, heavy toys. They are better suited to lighter weigh golf carts and non motorized toys like bicycle and such. If it were me, and the SXS is an important thing for you to be able to hauler safely (read within specs), one of the things you can do is to not fill the water tank with 100 gallons of water and limit your water usage when using it. The other option is looking for a different brand or model that will keep you in spec when hauling the stuff you want/need to haul. Sounds like you've got some tough decisions ahead of you....good luck and I hope you get it figured out. Stay safe.

 

This is exactly why we stopped looking at toy haulers. Our toy weighs approx 2,000 lbs without adding anything else to it. We couldn't find a trailer that worked for us, that even advertised the cargo capacity we need. In all the looking I've done, I found out many people are most likely overloaded without realizing it, due to the fact the manufacturers numbers they report are only ballpark. The only way to know for sure is to know what weights your truck truly is, loaded like you're going on a trip; and knowing the actual weight of the trailer.

Do you research, they do exist - the rv dealers / sales people will do whatever they can to make the sale - they very often don't know or won't tell you about the weights and capacities. That responsibility will fall on you.

 

Get that rig on the scales so you know exactly where the weight is at. My toys have gotten heavier over the years.

As we are now, I don't haul any distance with a full tank of water. I'll fill when we get close to where we're going. Our T/H is maxxed on weight, and physical space.

 

If you are talking pin weight being "ballpark", the pin weight numbers are for an empty trailer, as in the pin weight on the day it was built. They obviously cannot give an actual pin weight because they have no idea what you will load in the trailer or how much weight you'll put in the trailer. If you are talking about the GVWR, that certainly isn't "ballpark"....that is a factual fixed number that does not change, based on the frame strength, axle ratings and tire load capacity, along with the brakes on the trailer. There are a lot of toy haulers out there that could easily handle a 2000 lb toy in the back.....but your are almost for sure talking a triple axle trailer with a high GVWR. My Momentum 394M has a GVWR of 20,000 lbs. and a CCC of 4468? or almost 4500 lbs. This is a trailer that requires a Dually though, and lots of folks do not want to own Duallies if they also have to be a daily driver truck.

 

The CCC of my bumper pull toy hauler is 2,680 lbs. That's already assuming a full tank of fresh water weighing in at 1,050 lbs and two full 30 lb tanks of propane. This is all listed on a "poster" that is inside one of the cabinets in my trailer. It's not a brochure. It takes into account all of the options that the trailer rolled out of the factory with, such as the Onan 5500 watt generator and a full tank of gasoline (30 gallons).

GVWR: 11,500 lbs.
UVW: 7,213 lbs

I don't think I've ever exceeded the GVWR.

 

Your 394M is a beautiful trailer. My "ballpark" comment was aimed at the brochures and advertisements for the trailers, estimated empty (UVW) and CCC. UVW can vary when the trailer rolls off the line depending on the options that were added at the factory. So you can rely more on the stickers on a trailer sitting on the sales lot than you can the mfg brochures. I understand GVWR is not ballpark, and I did not mean to mislead anyone. As you said, any trailer that has a high enough CCC to haul a 2,000 lb toy will end up to be north of 40' long, three axles, and require a dually to pull it.

 

On my Momentum, they tell you the CCC and then state something on the order of the fresh water tank contents count against that total..

 

Thank you Sir. We are well satisfied with it in general and probably at our ages...I'm 65 and my wife is 67, we probably won't be planning on "upgrading" or doing something different....so I guess it's a good thing we do like it!

 

Normally, I would expect to see the same thing. On mine, they "show their math" on how they get the final CCC.