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I was looking for a Motorcraft part number for the master/slave hydraulic kit, but I have not found anything definitive as of yet. So far I have the following. Although, cross-referencing some of the numbers at Tasca, they are not listed as viable replacements. If anyone can confirm one of the below numbers or a different number as being the correct Motorcraft part number, that would be a good addition to this thread. I will keep looking when time permits.
The all aluminum ones are junk. I’ve seen these fail in as little as a couple days (the rod pulls out of master).
My OEM hydraulics lasted over 400k miles. The good stuff doesn’t cost much more and doesn’t need a ‘lifetime warranty’.
Going off personal experience, I'll run with the aluminum...only issue was having to add some fluid after 100k+ of usage. Got a new spare on hand, just in case. Previous replacement if one was a misdiagnose. After removing trans and seeing the carnage if input, t.o. bearings and the plastic block nipple broken, since all was new being installed, I thru in a new m/s assy
Update
Could not find suitable H-Bar or 2/3 jaw puller to test clutch disengage locally, so went to local stealership for master/slave parts.
Only had master on hand, but did have discontinued master/slave assembly 2C3Z7C522E (pre filled and bled) which supposedly
fits. Installed and found worse than aluminum aftermarket. Figured had been on shelf for a decade, so vacuum bled in truck.
Better, but need to pump clutch pedal 2 or 3 times to disengage at standstill. Float shift gears still a bit better than using clutch.
Convinced a new clutch kit is needed, not surprising after 235,000 miles of use (including quite a bit of heavy snowplowing)!
Local highly regarded shop estimate below for OEM Valeo (07-113iF)...
NOTES
zf6 Original OEM clutch hard to select gear engine running while vehicle stopped. Not a problem engine off, will shift to any gear.
Suspect bad throwout bearing, pilot bearing, clutch. Truck has no power upgrades, prefer OEM clutch pedal feel.
SERVICE BREAKDOWN
Description TYPE QTY Price Total
OEM Clutch Disk Set with Flywheel
Clutch Disk Set with Flywheel
PART 1.0 $724.98 $724.98 Clutch Replacement
LABOR 6.5 $134.95 $877.17
Transmission Fluid
PART 5.8 $14.83 $86.01
Clutch Fluid
PART 1.0 $14.83 $14.83
Total parts tax 8.0% $66.07
TOTAL $1769.06
This assumes no input shaft or guiding sleeve problems.
I am considering SB 1939OHD but do not know if existing flywheel is in good shape or if can trust proper resurfacing locally. PMing SkySkiJason for info on oilite pilot and sleeve.
Sounds like they are raking you over the coals on the clutch price for a stock clutch. Good price for the labor tho.
If you want to consider doing it yourself here's my Thread on what all I did when I had mine out.
Get a LUK master/slave assembly. $100 and I have always used those with good success. That is way too pricey for a clutch R&R IMO. The LUK kit is less than a 1/3 of that WITH a new flywheel.
Well, I agree they are overcharging you, but where there is a job that needs to be completed that you cannot complete yourself... You are left to the stipulations of those who can complete it for you. I was lucky enough to have Jason replace my clutch for me a few years ago, but if it hadn't been for him I am sure I would have had to go to someplace that I didn't know at all.
If you know and trust this shop to do the install, that might be worth a bit more. I am always willing to pay a bit more instead of getting a half *** job and paying a bit less, up front that is...
I have made some comments next to your estimate bullet points. My comments are in black and bold.
Clutch Disk Set with Flywheel - A SB 1939-OHD is $570 at Summit Racing and a 1944-6OK-HD is $825 at Riffraff. I don't know much about the 07-113iF, but I am sure you saw it was $555 on the site you linked. Perhaps the shop requires they use their own parts or maybe it is just easier to bite the additional cost of what they are charging you just to keep things simple. There is always a markup on prices when dealing with a shop like this, so that is your call in the end. PART 1.0 $724.98 $724.98 Clutch Replacement
LABOR 6.5 $134.95 $877.17 - That is about $135 an hour, so not great but not bad either.
Transmission Fluid - Looks like they are draining the fluid to replace the clutch? PART 5.8 $14.83 $86.01
Clutch Fluid - Same price as the transmission fluid, perhaps this was added to the estimate by mistake? PART 1.0 $14.83 $14.83
Total parts tax 8.0% $66.07
TOTAL $1769.06 - Pricey, but if you get it done right the first time your time and effort may be worth the additional cost.
Also, if there is a warranty or guarantee for the parts and labor, that carries a certain dollar and time value for you.
Again, it is pricey, but sometimes we have to pay in order to be reliable.
Update
Well I think I have found a shop to do the install that @ 67 years old I am unable to do on my own. This shop is about 25 miles
away and in the oil and farming area, and when I pulled up noticed that the lot was full of 1 ton and up diesel trucks. They are
willing to install my choice of parts at a reasonable flat labor rate, unlike all the other shops I investigated.
Have decided to go with South Bend 1944-6OK-HD which is surely more than enough for my daily driver and 12,000 lb trailer tow.
Went with the kit with SB flywheel for ease of installation.
Also replacing clutch fork and installing Fitzall simply because untill the tranny is dropped we have no idea what has been
damaged, and all new parts gives me peace of mind that the clutch will outlast me and my son also!
Ordering parts tommorrow, hope to get up and running by the first of May.
Ordered clutch kit from Summit Racing today and they had trouble processing a card that has more than twice the balance than the order. Then they said they would retry for seven days.
I replied that if they could not resolve NOW I request they CANCEL the order, and I will find another vendor. They replied it will take 3-4 days to respond.
BULLPUCKY!
They blame issues on ConVid19, when in fact their own incompetent IT or sales point is the issue!
Ordered clutch kit from Summit Racing today and they had trouble processing a card that has more than twice the balance than the order. Then they said they would retry for seven days.
I replied that if they could not resolve NOW I request they CANCEL the order, and I will find another vendor. They replied it will take 3-4 days to respond.
BULLPUCKY!
They blame issues on ConVid19, when in fact their own incompetent IT or sales point is the issue!
I have had this happen a few times lately. It makes me so mad when they just give a canned answer.
Yeah, a check of my card used shows a pending debit for the correct amount an hour or two before Summit says they could not access. Summit has not communicated since sending "could not access card"! Their website now shows "ready for shipping 04/20/2020". Hoping they have gotten their crap in gear and they will indeed live up to their contractual responsibility and ship Monday. Waiting to order other parts (obviously from a different vendor) till Summit sends tracking number!
Cannot in good conscience recommend Summit as they fail pitifully in customer service!
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