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Old Apr 9, 2020 | 09:11 AM
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That is weird. The first one is even non perforated by the look of the picture. I wonder if because it is an actual truck(note the two speed and parking brake) if that is the difference?
No, they specifially say below each picture that it is just an example, meaning all trucks should be like that. I'm not sure I follow what you are saying. You mentioned you had seen a 1964 Standard Cab once that looked like it never had those trim pieces in the corners? Are you then thinking that Custom Cab had 4 pieces and Standard Cab had just 2 pieces?

I'm fairly sure Ford intended to put 4 pieces in the 1964 cabs. Here's the 1964 section of the MPC showing both Standard (81A) and Custom Cab (81B) each having the Right and Left hand lower trim pieces in either Non-perforated (81A) or Perforated (81B). You can see the part number is a C4TZ. 1965/66 called for a C5TZ part number.

 
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Old Apr 9, 2020 | 09:39 AM
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1961 thru 1963 conventional cabs used a different roof skin than the 1964 thru 1966 cabs, and IIRC, there is a small difference in the height?
If the headliner that was purchased will indeed fit correctly in a 1961-1963, then it isn't likely to work on the 1964.
Not sure why LMC would label something to fit 1961-64 when there was a change of this type on the 1964.......should be labeled for 1961-1963??

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My 1964 F100 is in the shop for a full body restoration. I bought a new headliner from LMC for a 61 - 64 F100. The shop has told me my truck was built very late in the model year (VIN sequential number 553366) and apparently needs a 1965 headliner. Can you shed any light on anything else that might be different?

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Old Apr 9, 2020 | 11:42 AM
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Looking good, but where is your coat hook?
It never had one. Unless the father in law removed it to install the gun rack
 
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Old Apr 9, 2020 | 11:48 AM
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TA455HO yes it had a 2 piece headliner. It is a std cab all original 44K miles original miles bought in Lewistown MT and is still in Lewistown. You can see the ribbed metal in the corners between the rear windows and the backs of the doors.
 
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Old Apr 9, 2020 | 01:06 PM
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Originally Posted by skidoorulz
It never had one. Unless the father in law removed it to install the gun rack
Huh, here I thought they all came with a coat hook? My 3 trucks have them and any originals I've looked at in person had them or a hole where they were. MPC seems to indicate all trucks. If not removed then perhaps an anomoly? ***** happens, as they say. Notice how the MPC says 2 or 4 coat hook for 64/66, but I've never seen more than 1 in any truck so far. - ***** happens....





Here's my three trucks - two with original headliners still - which isn't saying much.





Headliner and coat hook removed on this truck but you can see the hole where it was and the coat hook and screw were in the glove box when I got the truck. It's the left hole. The hole to the right I believe was part of a series of holes for a pass through window that was installed at one time.



Originally Posted by skidoorulz
TA455HO yes it had a 2 piece headliner. It is a std cab all original 44K miles original miles bought in Lewistown MT and is still in Lewistown. You can see the ribbed metal in the corners between the rear windows and the backs of the doors.
Maybe the change from 2 piece to 4 piece was a running change during the 1964 year? It was the first year for 4 piece headliner. The fact that Ford has part numbers for all 4 pieces for 1964 in both perforated and non-perforated tells me that they at least installed them in some trucks, including Standard cab. Factory photos almost never used Standard cab trucks. So most of those are Custom cab pictures and all I can find so far for 1964 that I can see enough they do have those pieces in the corners. I even found a 1964 with the coat hook visible. Might be hard to see in this picture of a picture. I could probably scan it and zoom in better. But, it is there just to the left of the rear window rubber.



Perhaps others have seen other things on their individual trucks, too. I sure have not seen it all myself.
 
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Old Apr 9, 2020 | 01:31 PM
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Judging by where the hanger is on your three trucks mine did not have one. I thought maybe it would have been over the rear window behind the passenger where one side of a gun rack would have been mounted.
 
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Old Apr 9, 2020 | 01:55 PM
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Here's the thing about factory catalogues, esp. in the pre-photograph era (meaning illustrations were drawn, rather than a reproduced photo).
They are prepared months in advance, and changes happen, production schedules change, suppliers change, engineers have better ideas, yada yada yada.
I have a 1949 Chrysler catalogue that very clearly shows a hardtop coupe, even called it a 'Newport', yet Chrysler did not have a hardtop coupe until 1951.
There are many more examples, as well.
Too, we are talking about a truck, here. No one, and I mean no one drove a truck like we do today. Therefore, no one expected anywhere near the level of quality that we demand today.
If it ran, all was good. Coat hook, great, I'll hang my coat. No coat hook (my '66 does not have coat hooks), no problem, coat goes on the seat.
Brand loyalty, at least in my area, was more a function of what dealer was in town, or who really went after the truck sales. Advertising aside, convenience and nearness drove sales of trucks and tractors.
My area, which when I was growing up in the 60's, was AD Chevys and IIRC, IH tractors, though a lot of farmers had used equipment of whatever, which included 8N Fords, A couple of Massey Harris and one farmer had a Minneapolis Moline.
 
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Yeah, I have little doubt that if the assembly line became backed up they would leave off a coat hook or other expendables to make up time, too. As long as they didn't leave off too many lug nuts.
 
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Originally Posted by cosmofennema
Here's the thing about factory catalogues, esp. in the pre-photograph era (meaning illustrations were drawn, rather than a reproduced photo).

They are prepared months in advance, and changes happen, production schedules change, suppliers change, engineers have better ideas, yada yada yada.

I have a 1949 Chrysler catalog that very clearly shows a hardtop coupe, even called it a 'Newport', yet Chrysler did not have a hardtop coupe until 1951.
1949 Chrysler Town & Country was only available as a convertible. 1950 Chrysler Town & Country was only available as a hardtop.
 
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Old Apr 14, 2020 | 11:21 PM
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Okay, so I received a 1965 Headliner four piece kit today. I took it to my shop and they were encouraged by the differences between to previous two piece headliner that was advertised as 61 to 64 item. I will wait until they try to install it before I challenge the seller that their information is incorrect.
 
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