Biodiesel
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@Overkill2 you're right Propel is a different animal than B20. I wish that I could get a tank full also but it seems to be exclusive to certain areas. @Superduty450 where do you fill up with Propel?
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From: Western NY
I'd be one of them as I'm from a similar state and don't like it. But that fuel is the bomb. That's one thing they got right for sure.
Tuned
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From: Lowcountry
Yeah 40 is the minimum requirement in my state also. I have thought about why there isnt a national mandate for minimum cetane or at least a tiered system like gasoline. My only guess is that there is no incentive because diesel is so widely used that it will sell no matter what so why cut into margins by investing in making it better? I'd pay a little more for better fuel
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Yeah 40 is the minimum requirement in my state also. I have thought about why there isnt a national mandate for minimum cetane or at least a tiered system like gasoline. My only guess is that there is no incentive because diesel is so widely used that it will sell no matter what so why cut into margins by investing in making it better? I'd pay a little more for better fuel
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From: Washington Coast
Yeah 40 is the minimum requirement in my state also. I have thought about why there isnt a national mandate for minimum cetane or at least a tiered system like gasoline. My only guess is that there is no incentive because diesel is so widely used that it will sell no matter what so why cut into margins by investing in making it better? I'd pay a little more for better fuel
Tuned
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It's kind of like it is down here in Argentina, they sell 100 PPM and 10 PPM. Major difference in the cleanliness. 100 PPM is quite a bit cheaper and most people could care less about what it does in their engines. Cheap is best as far as they're concerned. So the stations have more pumps and larger tanks for the 100 PPM diesel as they sell more and more money.
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More Turbo
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From: Arkansas
Like most things, too much of something good, can be bad, same can be said for bio-diesel. Much more than 2-5% and the effects on lubricity are minimal if any. It actually can start to become worse in terms of lubricity the more that is added. Now Propel HPR and renewable diesel is a completely different beast and is quite impressive on paper, I think the benefits are negligible due to factory ECM tuning, would be nice to see what an ECM tuned for the fuel could do.
Also side note, the renewable diesel fuel isn't new and it's not just available in California, but it's subsidized to make it "affordable" there, so it's way more prevalent. I think last time I looked into it, it's made in an Asian place and shipped over here.
Also side note, the renewable diesel fuel isn't new and it's not just available in California, but it's subsidized to make it "affordable" there, so it's way more prevalent. I think last time I looked into it, it's made in an Asian place and shipped over here.
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From: Washington Coast
Yes it's the sulfur count. Higher sulfur does create issues with newer modern high speed diesels especially with varying speeds and loads.
When I worked in Australia a few years back all you could get was ultra low sulfur diesel. Out at the mines that's what they used for everything.
When I worked in Australia a few years back all you could get was ultra low sulfur diesel. Out at the mines that's what they used for everything.
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From: Livermore Ca.
In the new trucks you can only use ULSD in these trucks. With how sensitive the fuel system seems to be in our trucks I will stick with regular diesel. I do have one of those stations about 20 miles from me. Not worth the round trip.