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Old Mar 1, 2020 | 05:30 PM
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Hmmm, that is what my manual calls "Pre-Collision Assist". And it works at speeds above 5mph. I'm still not clear what AEB is.
Watch the video from my post above(at least from about 1:30 in for 30 seconds) to see if you have AEB. If so, you will have "Active braking" as an option you can turn on and off.
 
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Old Mar 1, 2020 | 06:42 PM
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This Ford video, while not specific to the Super Duty, indicates otherwise. It states that what you're referring to is the second condition(collision warning being the first) it enters, but that a third condition WILL apply the brakes without driver input. It can also be disabled under the settings menu...but will default back to Enabled each time you start the vehicle. I'm sure it can be set to default to off with Forscan...but I bet a dealer won't do it for fear of liability.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4Wjzxoi5CV8
I can't speak for other super duties, but there is nothing in my manual that references "Automatic Emergency Braking"; even as an "if equipped option". I appears to me that there are two versions "Pre-Collision Alert" and "Pre-Collision Alert with Automatic Emergency Braking"; but since there is no mention of AEB in the manual, is it an option on super duties?

I do not have a menu item for "Active Braking".

It would be interesting to see how this AEB system works while pulling a heavy trailer.
 
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Old Mar 2, 2020 | 06:57 AM
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In an interview with Reuters, Raj Nair, president of Ford's North American operations, said Ford's relatively slow rollout of automatic emergency braking, or AEB, was the result of weak demand from consumers. Ford and other major U.S. carmakers are participating in a voluntary agreement with the government to install AEB on all their models by 2022.

So it’s inevitable, we won’t be able to avoid this technology. Ford and GM are all-in. Ram is still holding out; Laramie can be had with only front/rear proximity sensors, with can be turned off with dash mounted toggle switches.

Looks like I will be getting my first Ram.
 
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Old Mar 2, 2020 | 07:05 AM
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Unplug the box on the front bumper and see what happens. Hopefully it will just give you a message on startup that you can hit 'OK' and have it go away.

But I'm with ya...I hate all the new nanny crap...
 
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Old Mar 2, 2020 | 07:19 AM
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You can disable adaptive cruise in the setting menu and just run normal cruise, I believe this disables the emergency braking.
According to my dealer that is correct and in my Experience it is also correct.

Originally Posted by Section179
Unless it changed significantly from 2019 you can herd cattle or push open a swing gate just fine. As others have said you can soft or hard disable it. Some metallic duct tape on the radar box is a dead simple hard override
That is also correct I have no problem on my place mostly because I cannot drive that fast or use Cruise Control.

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Bumping gates and pushing through a herd is exactly my concern; as well as a few switchbacks that are near impossible with a full size truck- I’m imagining the AEB stopping me just as I need momentum to climb a hill.

Thanks for the ideas, I will demo a truck and try a few of these suggestions before ordering.

What are the plow guys doing with front sensors/aeb/adapt cruise? Are the days of hanging bikes or spare tire off the front of a truck or rv gone? This is what happens when you keep a truck for 200k miles, too much new technology to wrap your head around.
I don't think you will have any issues at all. 1 you set the distance it gets activated and cruise control (adaptive) needs to be engaged. The AEB comes on frequently when rolling I 10 to Houston and Phoenix etc. So how does it work? I set my distance between cars (you only need to do once and it keeps it in memory). I am at 75 and Jerk Off passes me and as he so often does cuts back in. Depending up on how close = amount of AEB to slow down to prevent running into his stupid azz. OR. I crusing at 75 looking to pass the big truck as we head up the long hill, my rig will gradually slow us down to keep the distance I have set between cars. An opening comes open and it clear sailing I move into the passing lane and my truck automatically speeds up to the my preset cruise speed. It does NOT take long to fall love with this system. It takes your foot off the brake and keeps a predetermined space between you and the car ahead of you.

Unless you are running out across those pastures with cruise on it won't work, but if you turn it on it gonna keep you from hitting some calf that runs in front of you...LOL
 
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Old Mar 2, 2020 | 08:24 AM
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AEB is new for the 2020 superduty, the 2017-2019 only had the pre-collision assist with "Brake Support" - that would just beep at you and pre-charge the brakes. AEB can apply the brakes all on it's own, the manual refers to this as pre-collision assist with "active braking". It's also independent of adaptive cruise.

I don't know how fast you are pushing through cattle or gates, but it's only active above 3 MPH.

The Pre-Collision Assist system is active at speeds above approximately 3 mph (5 km/h) and pedestrian detection is active at speeds up to 50 mph (80 km/h).
AEB also uses the front facing camera... At least that's the impression the manual gives.

Some situations and objects prevent hazard detection. For example low or direct sunlight, inclement weather, unconventional vehicle types, and pedestrians. Apply the brakes when necessary.
Note: Proper system operation requires a clear view of the road by the camera. Have any windshield damage in the camera's field of view repaired.
So I think it's specifically looking for other cars and people.

If your vehicle is rapidly approaching another stationary vehicle, a vehicle traveling in the same direction as yours, or a pedestrian within your driving path, the system provides three levels of functionality
Interestingly, the manual also gives the impression that AEB can be had with or without the radar sensor.

Note: Brake Support and Active Braking are active at speeds up to 75 mph (120 km/h). If the vehicle has a radar sensor or Adaptive Cruise Control, then Brake Support and Active Braking are active up to the maximum speed of the vehicle.
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The system does not detect vehicles that are driving in a different direction, cyclists or animals. Apply the brakes when necessary.
The system does not operate during hard acceleration or steering.
Note: The Pre-Collision Assist system disables when you select 4X4 LOW, Deep Snow/Sand mode, Rock Crawl mode, or when you manually disable AdvanceTrac™
 
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Old Mar 2, 2020 | 02:08 PM
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I don't think you will have any issues at all. 1 you set the distance it gets activated and cruise control (adaptive) needs to be engaged. The AEB comes on frequently when rolling I 10 to Houston and Phoenix etc. So how does it work? I set my distance between cars (you only need to do once and it keeps it in memory). I am at 75 and Jerk Off passes me and as he so often does cuts back in. Depending up on how close = amount of AEB to slow down to prevent running into his stupid azz. OR. I crusing at 75 looking to pass the big truck as we head up the long hill, my rig will gradually slow us down to keep the distance I have set between cars. An opening comes open and it clear sailing I move into the passing lane and my truck automatically speeds up to the my preset cruise speed. It does NOT take long to fall love with this system. It takes your foot off the brake and keeps a predetermined space between you and the car ahead of you.
I believe that is just the Adaptive Cruise Control working; not AEB. Mine functions the same way; if necessary, it will apply brakes to maintain the set following distance. I think it will slow the truck to a complete stop if necessary.

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AEB is new for the 2020 superduty, the 2017-2019 only had the pre-collision assist with "Brake Support" - that would just beep at you and pre-charge the brakes. AEB can apply the brakes all on it's own, the manual refers to this as pre-collision assist with "active braking". It's also independent of adaptive cruise. ,
Thank you for the clear explanation.
 
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Old Mar 2, 2020 | 08:50 PM
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In an interview with Reuters, Raj Nair, president of Ford's North American operations, said Ford's relatively slow rollout of automatic emergency braking, or AEB, was the result of weak demand from consumers. Ford and other major U.S. carmakers are participating in a voluntary agreement with the government to install AEB on all their models by 2022.

So it’s inevitable, we won’t be able to avoid this technology. Ford and GM are all-in. Ram is still holding out; Laramie can be had with only front/rear proximity sensors, with can be turned off with dash mounted toggle switches.

Looks like I will be getting my first Ram.
OK so I find this particularly frustrating. There is no demand from the public. But the government is pushing it? Supposed to be OUR representatives..... Im sure whos pushing it to them...Its the insurance companies.
I dont have this but my issue is with the traction control. In the last 2 months Ive had the traction control cut my throttle a few times as I pulled out into traffic because it sensed wheel spin for a second. It only cut out for a couple of seconds Im sure but it felt like eternity when Im on the gas trying to go and the damn truck is ignoring me while traffic closes in....
My issue is I have absolutely no need for this. And rather than help, the only times it has intruded it has cause problems. If its possible to go into forscn or some other way I would entirely disable this crap.
My wifes first Infinity with AWD had traction control and anti lock. After plowing until 4am I came home and everything was ice in my neighborhood so I took her car for a test ride. I floored it from a complete stop. There was zero wheel spin yet the car accelerated strongly. Pushing me back into the seat. Then I slammed on the brakes and it just stopped... A little farting back through the brake pedal as the anti lock did its thing. So I was comfortable my wife was safe in that car.
I actually felt at risk because of the intrusion of the traction control in my 250. What are guys doing if they off road and get into some mud? It seems if you needed some wheel spin you would just shut the engine down and sink.
I just want my vehicle to do what my feet and hands tell it to do. I dont need a computer misinterpreting what Im doing.
 
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Originally Posted by scottz99
I believe that is just the Adaptive Cruise Control working; not AEB. Mine functions the same way; if necessary, it will apply brakes to maintain the set following distance. I think it will slow the truck to a complete stop if necessary.



Thank you for the clear explanation.
So. you are saying the AEB is not a part of the Adaptive CC but only a part of the Pre Collision system????
 
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Old Mar 3, 2020 | 05:53 AM
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OK so I find this particularly frustrating. There is no demand from the public. But the government is pushing it? Supposed to be OUR representatives..... Im sure whos pushing it to them...Its the insurance companies.
I dont have this but my issue is with the traction control. In the last 2 months Ive had the traction control cut my throttle a few times as I pulled out into traffic because it sensed wheel spin for a second. It only cut out for a couple of seconds Im sure but it felt like eternity when Im on the gas trying to go and the damn truck is ignoring me while traffic closes in....
My issue is I have absolutely no need for this. And rather than help, the only times it has intruded it has cause problems. If its possible to go into forscn or some other way I would entirely disable this crap.
My wifes first Infinity with AWD had traction control and anti lock. After plowing until 4am I came home and everything was ice in my neighborhood so I took her car for a test ride. I floored it from a complete stop. There was zero wheel spin yet the car accelerated strongly. Pushing me back into the seat. Then I slammed on the brakes and it just stopped... A little farting back through the brake pedal as the anti lock did its thing. So I was comfortable my wife was safe in that car.
I actually felt at risk because of the intrusion of the traction control in my 250. What are guys doing if they off road and get into some mud? It seems if you needed some wheel spin you would just shut the engine down and sink.
I just want my vehicle to do what my feet and hands tell it to do. I dont need a computer misinterpreting what Im doing.
Can you not turn off TC???
 
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Old Mar 3, 2020 | 02:01 PM
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So. you are saying the AEB is not a part of the Adaptive CC but only a part of the Pre Collision system????
Perhaps I'm wrong, but, based on reading my manual, that is the way I see it. Adaptive cruise and Pre-Collision Alert are two independent systems. Pre-Collision Alert may include the AEB option or, as in my truck, it may not.

Adaptive Cruise may use deceleration and the braking system as necessary to maintain the set following distance. It looks for vehicles but not pedestrians.

Pre-Collision Alert will charge the braking system (if things get serious) but will not apply the brakes unless you give it permission by touching the brake pedal; then, hold on. I don't know if it looks for pedestrians or just for vehicles, but nothing in my manual says anything about pedestrians.

Pre-Collision Alert with AEB will apply the brakes with no operator input. It looks for pedestrians and vehicles.
 
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Old Mar 3, 2020 | 02:16 PM
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OK so I find this particularly frustrating. There is no demand from the public. But the government is pushing it? Supposed to be OUR representatives..... Im sure whos pushing it to them...Its the insurance companies.
I dont have this but my issue is with the traction control. In the last 2 months Ive had the traction control cut my throttle a few times as I pulled out into traffic because it sensed wheel spin for a second. It only cut out for a couple of seconds Im sure but it felt like eternity when Im on the gas trying to go and the damn truck is ignoring me while traffic closes in....
My issue is I have absolutely no need for this. And rather than help, the only times it has intruded it has cause problems. If its possible to go into forscn or some other way I would entirely disable this crap.
My wifes first Infinity with AWD had traction control and anti lock. After plowing until 4am I came home and everything was ice in my neighborhood so I took her car for a test ride. I floored it from a complete stop. There was zero wheel spin yet the car accelerated strongly. Pushing me back into the seat. Then I slammed on the brakes and it just stopped... A little farting back through the brake pedal as the anti lock did its thing. So I was comfortable my wife was safe in that car.
I actually felt at risk because of the intrusion of the traction control in my 250. What are guys doing if they off road and get into some mud? It seems if you needed some wheel spin you would just shut the engine down and sink.
I just want my vehicle to do what my feet and hands tell it to do. I dont need a computer misinterpreting what Im doing.
I turn traction control off when I am in the mud or snow and think it will cause a problem (or if I just want to have fun).

Here is a discussion of traction control modes: https://www.ford-trucks.com/forums/1...port-mode.html
 
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I turn traction control off when I am in the mud or snow and think it will cause a problem (or if I just want to have fun).

Here is a discussion of traction control modes: https://www.ford-trucks.com/forums/1...port-mode.html
Unfortunately, you cannot turn traction control off completely. Yes, I know it says it's off, but it will still engage. Thanks Ford...
 
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I’m having a hard time dropping this AEB thing. Spoke to a Western plow dealer, he confirmed, no upfitter solution, AEB must be disabled via menu each time the ignition is cycled, or the drivers door is opened and closed. Consumers are not talking about this yet, but folks in the industry think it’s crazy. I then called a Lakota dealer (horse trailers), they are aware of it as well. AEB cannot distinguish between a person, car or bambi; it will boost your brake system and/or auto brake if radar indicates an imminent collision, this could be outright dangerous with a heavy load. The only possible solution appears to be something called ForScan, but there is no way I’m buying a $70k truck to then jack around with the computer.

If Ford would copy Ram and put switches on the center stack this would be less of an issue, I still would not like it, but disabling would be convenient. After a week of research, I’m back to this being a non-starter. Funny how much effort I have put into trying to spend my money with Ford- I am more brand loyal than I would have acknowledged before starting this process. Heading to Denver today to check out GMC and Ram...



 
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Originally Posted by scottz99
Perhaps I'm wrong, but, based on reading my manual, that is the way I see it. Adaptive cruise and Pre-Collision Alert are two independent systems. Pre-Collision Alert may include the AEB option or, as in my truck, it may not.

Adaptive Cruise may use deceleration and the braking system as necessary to maintain the set following distance. It looks for vehicles but not pedestrians.

Pre-Collision Alert will charge the braking system (if things get serious) but will not apply the brakes unless you give it permission by touching the brake pedal; then, hold on. I don't know if it looks for pedestrians or just for vehicles, but nothing in my manual says anything about pedestrians.

Pre-Collision Alert with AEB will apply the brakes with no operator input. It looks for pedestrians and vehicles.
Based upon my observations on how they work I think(X) AEB is integrated with ACC, but not the other way around. AEB can operate standalone or as a subpart of ACC...WHY? I see it thru the eyes of a Software engineer and in the case, AEB is just lines of code as is ACC. In an earlier time when CC was mechanical everything was separate, today its all shared code where applicable...I may be wrong on my thinking, but I have built a LOT of Mission-critical systems that failure is measured in losses in the Tens of millions and possible lives also...shared code is common...
 
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