Power Steering Quest Update
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Power Steering Quest Update
After about 10 hours on the Internet searching I can report the following
The vehicles in question are real.
These same vehicles do have power steering
Parts and information are located somewhere on this Planet (Earth, Third Rock From the Sun), But not in the same location
If I open my mouth again - SHOOT ME.
Still looking
The vehicles in question are real.
These same vehicles do have power steering
Parts and information are located somewhere on this Planet (Earth, Third Rock From the Sun), But not in the same location
If I open my mouth again - SHOOT ME.
Still looking
Post Fiend
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From: Iowa
"After about 10 hours on the Internet searching I can report the following"
That's real nice of you considering you aren't even contemplating a Mopar clip IFS ................ Or so you say.
The answer lies in decent shop manuals of yesteryear, or seasoned dealership techician heads. We'll find the info somewhere.
Don't kill yourself trying to find out. I know you promised, and then didn't deliver the goods, but it's OK, really.
That's real nice of you considering you aren't even contemplating a Mopar clip IFS ................ Or so you say.
The answer lies in decent shop manuals of yesteryear, or seasoned dealership techician heads. We'll find the info somewhere.
Don't kill yourself trying to find out. I know you promised, and then didn't deliver the goods, but it's OK, really.
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Well so far so bad.
All pump/box manufactures limit access to there online tech data to dealers.
Spent a few hours pouring over the books at the Autozone, no pressure data.
Just before I was escorted out of the local ford dealership, one of the maintainence guys stated, over the noise, that they did have pressure data in some of their books. I hope he didn't lose his job over that.
I hear the Fat Lady warming up her vocal chords
All pump/box manufactures limit access to there online tech data to dealers.
Spent a few hours pouring over the books at the Autozone, no pressure data.
Just before I was escorted out of the local ford dealership, one of the maintainence guys stated, over the noise, that they did have pressure data in some of their books. I hope he didn't lose his job over that.
I hear the Fat Lady warming up her vocal chords
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PENN Dick
Get back in there Tiger, you know how bad we need this info. I've burnt up 3 PS pumps just this week. Last time was by the bus stop in front of the grade school but I got it back under control well enough. Not that big a deal I guess.
The old Chilton/Motor manuals used to have the pressure specs. What I don't recall is if it was the professional editions or not.
RMF,
Can you think of anything easy for Dick to do for us so he feels like he's contributing just a little something around here?
Get back in there Tiger, you know how bad we need this info. I've burnt up 3 PS pumps just this week. Last time was by the bus stop in front of the grade school but I got it back under control well enough. Not that big a deal I guess.
The old Chilton/Motor manuals used to have the pressure specs. What I don't recall is if it was the professional editions or not.
RMF,
Can you think of anything easy for Dick to do for us so he feels like he's contributing just a little something around here?
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Carl
Long story short. We are mixing and matching PS pumps with our different brand steering boxes. The common Ford and GM pumps seem to put out too much pressure and cause problems long term. The most common mismatch is the 70s Ford and GM pumps with the Volare style box. See the Volare IFS thread for the million different applications. These should all require about the same pressure. The other mismatch is with the MII style rack and pinion steering. It supposedly is way over pressured by a GM pump. Bottomline is we need to know the specs for pump pressure for some of these donor cars. Ford, GM and Mopar. Say a 79 LTD, 75 Camaro, 76 Volare, 74 Mustang II for example. I know I have seen this published in shop manuals. Shouldn't be that hard.
The static in the background is PENN Dick being harassed. He stepped forward and volunteered to research this, then he came up short.
PENN Dick,
Now go get Carl a beer while he's trying to take care of this for you.
Long story short. We are mixing and matching PS pumps with our different brand steering boxes. The common Ford and GM pumps seem to put out too much pressure and cause problems long term. The most common mismatch is the 70s Ford and GM pumps with the Volare style box. See the Volare IFS thread for the million different applications. These should all require about the same pressure. The other mismatch is with the MII style rack and pinion steering. It supposedly is way over pressured by a GM pump. Bottomline is we need to know the specs for pump pressure for some of these donor cars. Ford, GM and Mopar. Say a 79 LTD, 75 Camaro, 76 Volare, 74 Mustang II for example. I know I have seen this published in shop manuals. Shouldn't be that hard.
The static in the background is PENN Dick being harassed. He stepped forward and volunteered to research this, then he came up short.
PENN Dick,
Now go get Carl a beer while he's trying to take care of this for you.
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Seems like you guys could easily measure the pressure. One experiment is worth a thousand expert opinions (or numbers from books). The pressure numbers would be indisputable.
- McMaster-Carr steel Swagelok wannabe (Yor-Lok) in-line TEE (both 3,000 psi capable):
a) 5929K135 = 1/4 tube-1/4 tube-1/4 female NPT, $15
b) 5929K142 = 3/8 tube-3/8 tube-1/4 female NPT, $15
- A 3,000 psi center-back connection, glycerin-filled gage (McMaster-Carr 3845K3), $15.
- Helpmate to turn the steering wheel to the lock while you watch the gage, priceless.
$30 total and 30 minutes of your time is generally a whole lot less than a new pump, isn't it?
- McMaster-Carr steel Swagelok wannabe (Yor-Lok) in-line TEE (both 3,000 psi capable):
a) 5929K135 = 1/4 tube-1/4 tube-1/4 female NPT, $15
b) 5929K142 = 3/8 tube-3/8 tube-1/4 female NPT, $15
- A 3,000 psi center-back connection, glycerin-filled gage (McMaster-Carr 3845K3), $15.
- Helpmate to turn the steering wheel to the lock while you watch the gage, priceless.
$30 total and 30 minutes of your time is generally a whole lot less than a new pump, isn't it?
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George
That would get us part way there. Let's say a 79 LTD pump puts out 1000 PSI. OK, now what? I don't have a Volare, or an MII handy to test. Us rodders cut them all up dammit. We really need some specs. I tried a net search too. It's not working out. But I can find 12,000 sources to buy a new PS pump on the net. That will be handy if I don't get this fixed.
That would get us part way there. Let's say a 79 LTD pump puts out 1000 PSI. OK, now what? I don't have a Volare, or an MII handy to test. Us rodders cut them all up dammit. We really need some specs. I tried a net search too. It's not working out. But I can find 12,000 sources to buy a new PS pump on the net. That will be handy if I don't get this fixed.
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Carl, George and anybody else that cares,
'fenders is right. Penn Dick volunteered to help us with this problem and wimped out, fell asleep or got sidetracked to some **** sites.
As per the charter we developed back in the spring, rather than continue this discussion in the original thread ( https://www.ford-trucks.com/forums/s...hreadid=159881 ), Penn Dick decided to start this new one just so folks like you would not be able to follow the issue from start to finish in one thread.
I have the same issue as 'fenders, except my specifics are -
I want to use a 1990 F150 302 power steering pump with an 84 Mopar 5th Ave. power steering box. (So i don't have to screw with cobbling up new brackets to adapt and align the mopar pump to the Ford serpentine system)
I determined and stated the pressure the Mopar box wants to see in the original thread as (the service manual says) 50 to 100 PSI at idle and 1200-1300psi from pump, max output but I can't find the pressure that the F150 pump puts out.
Can you bail Penn Dick out ?
We'd sure apreciate it.
'fenders is right. Penn Dick volunteered to help us with this problem and wimped out, fell asleep or got sidetracked to some **** sites.
As per the charter we developed back in the spring, rather than continue this discussion in the original thread ( https://www.ford-trucks.com/forums/s...hreadid=159881 ), Penn Dick decided to start this new one just so folks like you would not be able to follow the issue from start to finish in one thread.
I have the same issue as 'fenders, except my specifics are -
I want to use a 1990 F150 302 power steering pump with an 84 Mopar 5th Ave. power steering box. (So i don't have to screw with cobbling up new brackets to adapt and align the mopar pump to the Ford serpentine system)
I determined and stated the pressure the Mopar box wants to see in the original thread as (the service manual says) 50 to 100 PSI at idle and 1200-1300psi from pump, max output but I can't find the pressure that the F150 pump puts out.
Can you bail Penn Dick out ?
We'd sure apreciate it.
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OK - That does it.
If all you modifiers, destroyers of the original, artist types, would have done your homework prior to cutting up a perfectly good vehicle, I wouldn't have had to try and "Bail You Out".
I get sick and tired of listening to you whine about your precious modifications exploding and spraying contaminats all over the place, destroyng the earth for thousands of years to come.
These monsters you have created are far more dangerous than any Yuppie Mom Driving the Kiddies to the Mall on Saturday morning in the OFF-Road Parking Lot Plower while talking on her Cell.
I have a few more places to check yet
If all you modifiers, destroyers of the original, artist types, would have done your homework prior to cutting up a perfectly good vehicle, I wouldn't have had to try and "Bail You Out".
I get sick and tired of listening to you whine about your precious modifications exploding and spraying contaminats all over the place, destroyng the earth for thousands of years to come.
These monsters you have created are far more dangerous than any Yuppie Mom Driving the Kiddies to the Mall on Saturday morning in the OFF-Road Parking Lot Plower while talking on her Cell.
I have a few more places to check yet