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Old Jan 21, 2020 | 08:47 AM
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A talk with Ford engineers

I searched to see if these videos had been posted, Didn't see them so apologies if they have been.
 
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Old Jan 21, 2020 | 10:01 AM
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I found it is interesting he said they have way to detect if a "chip"/ Tuner had been installed, even if it has been removed before service.
 
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Old Jan 21, 2020 | 10:29 AM
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Originally Posted by wb6anp
I found it is interesting he said they have way to detect if a "chip"/ Tuner had been installed, even if it has been removed before service.
He is correct. It usually involves some disassembly of the engine so they may not always know. But you can bet, if there's a major engine failure, they will tear it down and inspect it. The cost of that will be significant if they find the vehicle had a tuner or chip.
 
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Old Jan 21, 2020 | 10:52 AM
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I found it is interesting he said they have way to detect if a "chip"/ Tuner had been installed, even if it has been removed before service.
It's of course in their interest to say this regardless of whether it's true or not.

That said, I wouldn't tune a modern vehicle in warranty. Just not worth the risk.
 
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Old Jan 21, 2020 | 12:04 PM
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It's of course in their interest to say this regardless of whether it's true or not.

That said, I wouldn't tune a modern vehicle in warranty. Just not worth the risk.
^^^^ I'm with him on this issue
 
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Old Jan 21, 2020 | 12:46 PM
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He is correct. It usually involves some disassembly of the engine so they may not always know. But you can bet, if there's a major engine failure, they will tear it down and inspect it. The cost of that will be significant if they find the vehicle had a tuner or chip.
You can find out in less than 3 mins because the HEX value is permanently changed and its rolling so you can't capture it and adjust it. When connected to IDS you can see if the HEX value is incorrect which is a dead giveaway it was tuned. This has been standard since at least 2005.

Here is step one on the Ford service guide when doing drivetrain repair.


To confirm the vehicle has a Ford Production calibration installed review the PCM calibration filename located in the IDS vehicle log file. The filename (Identified in IDS as PCM_FILENAME) must begin with the prefix letter "D" to be a valid FORD production level calibration.
 
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Old Jan 21, 2020 | 05:11 PM
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Originally Posted by wb6anp
I found it is interesting he said they have way to detect if a "chip"/ Tuner had been installed, even if it has been removed before service.
It is true. I was part of the initial discussion to detect a tuner. We could 100% detect it and set a warning for a Ford tech that could not be removed. Once it is set it is always there. It cannot be deleted.
 
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It also changes the spray pattern on the pistons
 
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Old Jan 24, 2020 | 10:48 AM
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At least the Pedal Commanders of the world are exempt from this!

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Old Jan 24, 2020 | 02:36 PM
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Originally Posted by wb6anp
I found it is interesting he said they have way to detect if a "chip"/ Tuner had been installed, even if it has been removed before service.
This has been well known since the mid 2000s.
 
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Old Jan 24, 2020 | 05:31 PM
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I hate videos. 38 seconds of BS music. Then all the way to 8:50 to find out about additives.

All we needed was a sentence that says: "The only additive really worth a flip might be anti-gel if you go from a warmer to a colder climate with a diesel".

12+ minutes of video.
 
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Old Jan 25, 2020 | 03:10 PM
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Originally Posted by mbell5263
He is correct. It usually involves some disassembly of the engine so they may not always know. But you can bet, if there's a major engine failure, they will tear it down and inspect it. The cost of that will be significant if they find the vehicle had a tuner or chip.
It has nothing to do with taking anything apart. The second I hook up the scan tool I can tell because it has an ignition count cycle. Every time you install your tuner and go back to stock it resets that counter. ie a truck with 30k miles and only 50 ignition cycles has had a tuner or pcm alteration of some kind.
 
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Old Jan 25, 2020 | 04:08 PM
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Originally Posted by 2019er
I hate videos. 38 seconds of BS music. Then all the way to 8:50 to find out about additives.

All we needed was a sentence that says: "The only additive really worth a flip might be anti-gel if you go from a warmer to a colder climate with a diesel".

12+ minutes of video.
He said nothing about the CP4 wearing out because of the lack of lubricity in U.S. diesel fuel. Is this because the 2020 model has an improved HPFP or he doesn't want to admit that their is a problem and lubricity is needed. Since he wasn't specific in the question, the answer was also unclear- is this for the 2020 model or all of them?
 
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Old Jan 25, 2020 | 04:24 PM
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Originally Posted by johndeerefarmer
He said nothing about the CP4 wearing out because of the lack of lubricity in U.S. diesel fuel. Is this because the 2020 model has an improved HPFP or he doesn't want to admit that their is a problem and lubricity is needed. Since he wasn't specific in the question, the answer was also unclear- is this for the 2020 model or all of them?
the pumps fail from water in the diesel. Not diesels lack of lubricity.
 
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