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Old Jan 13, 2020 | 09:41 AM
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need help with EEC-iv

Fighting a "no spark" problem for some time now on a 96 F250, 351 engine. Would appreciate any help or direction to find the answers here in FTE, I know its probably here if I knew how to find it !!
so I will ask a simple question here today. If you have 12VDC on positive side of coil, and you also have it on NEG. side, but no spark as determined by using a test light, and spark indicator,can you simply ground the NEG. side and force a spark ??
 
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Old Jan 14, 2020 | 06:21 PM
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9 out of 10 times the ignition module is bad. Is yours on the distributor or the fender? AutoZone and them places can usually test one. As for your question I'm thinking no. If the module is bad it still won't spark.
 
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Old Jan 14, 2020 | 06:54 PM
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My rule of thumb was always:
no spark, bad TFI
no spark and no fuel, bad ECM relay
no fuel, bad fp relay or pump

The rotor is spinning, yes?
 
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Old Jan 14, 2020 | 07:06 PM
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Originally Posted by WWR
My rule of thumb was always:
no spark, bad TFI
no spark and no fuel, bad ECM relay
no fuel, bad fp relay or pump

The rotor is spinning, yes?
. Very good advice. I used to carry an extra ignition module in my tool box I had so much trouble with them.

 
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Old Jan 14, 2020 | 11:41 PM
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Originally Posted by the_old_ranger
. Very good advice. I used to carry an extra ignition module in my tool box I had so much trouble with them.
And the deep, thin wall socket!
 
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Old Jan 15, 2020 | 07:38 AM
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And the deep, thin wall socket!
Wasn"t
that when Ford invented the 5.5 mm screw?
 
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Old Jan 17, 2020 | 12:33 PM
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well sir I appreciate your response. I have the remote TFI which I have replaced twice ! Also has a new coil,distributor, ignition switch and battery. wasn't afraid to throw parts at it as I want to upgrade all components, to help assure reliability. The truck had gotten where it wouldn't start (no spark) often so that's why I approached it this way But now I never get spark so im trying to troubleshoot it logically now ! My abilities are above average I feel, but this is really kicking my but.
 
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Old Jan 17, 2020 | 12:36 PM
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no spark for sure, fuel pump runs on key on for a couple seconds.Where is the ECM relay? In engine compartment, power box , relay closest to fender ??
 
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Old Jan 17, 2020 | 12:39 PM
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also I have verified I have a output from my hall effects to TFI, not getting anything on Start wire at TFI though ?
 
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Old Jan 17, 2020 | 01:37 PM
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also I have verified I have a output from my hall effects to TFI, not getting anything on Start wire at TFI though ?
Sorry I didn't notifications for this thread. Doesn't the lid on the underhood electrical box show which relay is which? All the fuses check good I guess?
 
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Well...I don't know how to proceed here.

If the TFI's are aftermarket I'd be suspicious but even the cheap ones usually work for a month or two

If you hear the fp I'd say ECM relay is fine

SPOUT connector was plugged back in after distributor replacement? Still I don't think an absent SPOUT plug will cause a no-start.

You're positive rotor is spinning? Did it ever run with the replacement distributor? Also, distributor was ordered for appropriate model year I hope? '94 and later 351 needs a hardened dist drive gear for the roller cam
 
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Old Jan 17, 2020 | 04:51 PM
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Originally Posted by WWR
Well...I don't know how to proceed here.

If the TFI's are aftermarket I'd be suspicious but even the cheap ones usually work for a month or two

If you hear the fp I'd say ECM relay is fine

SPOUT connector was plugged back in after distributor replacement? Still I don't think an absent SPOUT plug will cause a no-start.

You're positive rotor is spinning? Did it ever run with the replacement distributor? Also, distributor was ordered for appropriate model year I hope? '94 and later 351 needs a hardened dist drive gear for the roller cam
Yes it did ! In fact I was in the process of timing it when it suddenly died, I checked for HE output and noticed it was gone! At that point I replaced distributor again! And have verified I have rotation and 8 volts output to TFI. But as of yet it has not fired since then ??
 
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Old Jan 17, 2020 | 04:54 PM
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Originally Posted by WWR
Well...I don't know how to proceed here.

If the TFI's are aftermarket I'd be suspicious but even the cheap ones usually work for a month or two

If you hear the fp I'd say ECM relay is fine

SPOUT connector was plugged back in after distributor replacement? Still I don't think an absent SPOUT plug will cause a no-start.

You're positive rotor is spinning? Did it ever run with the replacement distributor? Also, distributor was ordered for appropriate model year I hope? '94 and later 351 needs a hardened dist drive gear for the roller cam
pretty certain correct distributor, definitely a steel gear.
 
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In fact I was in the process of timing it when it suddenly died, ?
Uh? You were adjusting the timing like turning the distributor and using a timing light? Don't make sense even if it were out of time it would still fire. Can you explain how when what on the quit running?
 
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Old Jan 17, 2020 | 05:07 PM
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Originally Posted by the_old_ranger
Uh? You were adjusting the timing like turning the distributor and using a timing light? Don't make sense even if it were out of time it would still fire. Can you explain how when what on the quit running?
yes exactly!I had made a couple minor adjustments, truck was running well. I was simply looking at the timing mark with the light when it just died !No fire since then. And as I said earlier I have replaced the distributor since then ?
 
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