Caster shims ?
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...it seems Ford for 2024 changed something (hub? seal? knuckle? etc?) on the 2024 which
when you add the 2 degree shim, moves a metal seal/plate closer to the knuckle and causes them to grind together. They found this out because
they had a 2024 in for R&D. He said to only use the 1 degree in a 2024. Not sure when during the 2024 production it changed. They are working on a solution,
and basically it's a set of drop blocks to drop the rear of the radius arms to account for the 2 degree shim, and he explained that they are in testing and
it will be a few months before they are available. So as of now the only option is to try the lift without the shims, see if it pulls or returns to center, add the
1 degree caster shim to help if it doesn't, or purchase their adjustable radius arms (direction I plan on going) and have the alignment shop dial in the correct caster.
He said all the current kits come with the 2 degree shim, so don't use them. He also said if I buy a kit from CJC Off Road to call them and ask them to remove
the 2 degree shim and either credit me or supply the 1 degree shim.
Hope this saved anyone from un-needed aggravation.
Good luck!
when you add the 2 degree shim, moves a metal seal/plate closer to the knuckle and causes them to grind together. They found this out because
they had a 2024 in for R&D. He said to only use the 1 degree in a 2024. Not sure when during the 2024 production it changed. They are working on a solution,
and basically it's a set of drop blocks to drop the rear of the radius arms to account for the 2 degree shim, and he explained that they are in testing and
it will be a few months before they are available. So as of now the only option is to try the lift without the shims, see if it pulls or returns to center, add the
1 degree caster shim to help if it doesn't, or purchase their adjustable radius arms (direction I plan on going) and have the alignment shop dial in the correct caster.
He said all the current kits come with the 2 degree shim, so don't use them. He also said if I buy a kit from CJC Off Road to call them and ask them to remove
the 2 degree shim and either credit me or supply the 1 degree shim.
Hope this saved anyone from un-needed aggravation.
Good luck!
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I'll cut to the chase, I called Carli Suspension on a unrelated topic, I spoke with I think Jason, very helpful, extremely knowledgeable.
Anyway, we got to talking about their 3" Commuter System, mostly components, and how I plan to build the lift in stages. (Not budgetary, more
add as I see fit and go). We both agreed on my product choice, the correct steps in the order I planed, and we both agreed it was a good plan.
Now this is where it got interesting. As we know, once you raise the front, it reduces the caster, hence adding the 2 degree shims helps restore
the proper angle to about 4-5 degrees. Problem is, it seems Ford for 2024 changed something (hub? seal? knuckle? etc?) on the 2024 which
when you add the 2 degree shim, moves a metal seal/plate closer to the knuckle and causes them to grind together. They found this out because
they had a 2024 in for R&D. He said to only use the 1 degree in a 2024. Not sure when during the 2024 production it changed. They are working on a solution,
and basically it's a set of drop blocks to drop the rear of the radius arms to account for the 2 degree shim, and he explained that they are in testing and
it will be a few months before they are available. So as of now the only option is to try the lift without the shims, see if it pulls or returns to center, add the
1 degree caster shim to help if it doesn't, or purchase their adjustable radius arms (direction I plan on going) and have the alignment shop dial in the correct caster.
He said all the current kits come with the 2 degree shim, so don't use them. He also said if I buy a kit from CJC Off Road to call them and ask them to remove
the 2 degree shim and either credit me or supply the 1 degree shim.
Hope this saved anyone from un-needed aggravation.
Good luck!
Anyway, we got to talking about their 3" Commuter System, mostly components, and how I plan to build the lift in stages. (Not budgetary, more
add as I see fit and go). We both agreed on my product choice, the correct steps in the order I planed, and we both agreed it was a good plan.
Now this is where it got interesting. As we know, once you raise the front, it reduces the caster, hence adding the 2 degree shims helps restore
the proper angle to about 4-5 degrees. Problem is, it seems Ford for 2024 changed something (hub? seal? knuckle? etc?) on the 2024 which
when you add the 2 degree shim, moves a metal seal/plate closer to the knuckle and causes them to grind together. They found this out because
they had a 2024 in for R&D. He said to only use the 1 degree in a 2024. Not sure when during the 2024 production it changed. They are working on a solution,
and basically it's a set of drop blocks to drop the rear of the radius arms to account for the 2 degree shim, and he explained that they are in testing and
it will be a few months before they are available. So as of now the only option is to try the lift without the shims, see if it pulls or returns to center, add the
1 degree caster shim to help if it doesn't, or purchase their adjustable radius arms (direction I plan on going) and have the alignment shop dial in the correct caster.
He said all the current kits come with the 2 degree shim, so don't use them. He also said if I buy a kit from CJC Off Road to call them and ask them to remove
the 2 degree shim and either credit me or supply the 1 degree shim.
Hope this saved anyone from un-needed aggravation.
Good luck!
Check out the video in post #255 of this thread. https://www.ford-trucks.com/forums/1...estion-17.html
The only known difference between 2023 and 2024 is the one dummy hub on the passenger side of the 2024.
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Sorry for the late reply to your PM, not getting emails when I get a PM anymore. If you haven't done them yet, there should be enough info to help. Spindle should be like this / on the drivers and this \ on the passenger.
These are adjustable for caster and camber, just loosen the top ball joint nut and turn left or right to increase or reduce Camber and Caster to get the best of both. Since recommended is 0*, and max is .5*, keeping it to the rear center should put the camber and caster right where you want it.
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Check out the video in post #255 of this thread. https://www.ford-trucks.com/forums/1...estion-17.html
The only known difference between 2023 and 2024 is the one dummy hub on the passenger side of the 2024.
The only known difference between 2023 and 2024 is the one dummy hub on the passenger side of the 2024.
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