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Old Dec 15, 2019 | 07:54 PM
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I don't see the 223 listed here so maybe wasting my time. I have a 223 in my f350. Block numbers are correct for '59. My problem is they changed head design in either 60 or 61 from a two bolt valve cover to an 8 bolt perimeter mount. Mine has the later valve cover. I also bought the Holly 1904 carburetor and stud spacing doesn't fit my intake. Now I am getting ready for valve job, rings and rod bearings. Don't know if I need to order '61 gasket set, head gasket set for '61, pan gasket for '59. I would appreciate any help I can get I posted on 57-60 and 61-66 forums as well.


 
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Old Dec 18, 2019 | 01:19 PM
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I don't have answers but I would look to see if the pan gaskets are the same between the years, I don't see why they would not be but you need to check that.
If the pan is the same I would then check the intake / exh. manifold gaskets if they are the same between years.
If the manifold gaskets are also the same and the only change is the valve cover the only other thing is the carb bolt spacing.
Is it for the early or late carb? Could they have used the early manifolds on the later head?

My thinking if only the valve cover & carb are the only difference get the early gasket kit and the valve cover gasket for the later head.
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Old Dec 18, 2019 | 01:26 PM
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I don't have answers but I would look to see if the pan gaskets are the same between the years, I don't see why they would not be but you need to check that.
If the pan is the same I would then check the intake / exh. manifold gaskets if they are the same between years.
If the manifold gaskets are also the same and the only change is the valve cover the only other thing is the carb bolt spacing.
Is it for the early or late carb? Could they have used the early manifolds on the later head?

My thinking if only the valve cover & carb are the only difference get the early gasket kit and the valve cover gasket for the later head.
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I think in an earlier post NumberDummy said intake unchanged. Never did get answer on carburetor stud spacings.
 
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Old Dec 18, 2019 | 02:09 PM
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I think in an earlier post NumberDummy said intake unchanged. Never did get answer on carburetor stud spacings.
So, found casting number on head. Does it mean 1960 gakaxy head

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So that leaves the pan gasket but I cant see that changing.
Could look up pan gaskets for both years to see if same part numbers.
If the pan gaskets are different could the front & rear crank seals be different also?

Then again you said the block was a 59 by the numbers so maybe a 59 gasket kit and the late valve cover gasket.

For the carb how far off is the spacing?
I have seen posts of some needing to file the holes some to fit, do you have enough to do that?
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Old Dec 18, 2019 | 02:33 PM
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I don't think so. I got thus carb in a trade. The guy started elongating holes to fit his jeep but decided it wouldn't work. Do all years have the hot water gizmo between carb and manifold?
 
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Found original post. It was exhaust manifold not changed.
 
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Originally Posted by JohnNewb
I don't think so. I got thus carb in a trade. The guy started elongating holes to fit his jeep but decided it wouldn't work. Do all years have the hot water gizmo between carb and manifold?
Sorry cant answer that don't know much on this motor.
Think of my posts to get others to look and help, bump to the top.
Also how I would go about checking if parts are the same like oil pans or intake / exh manifolds.

Have you had any luck on the 57-60 & 61-66 forums?
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Asking same questions there. Someone there sent me here. I am a regular on the 57-60 group. Tried '61-64 group thinking head from that era. I appreciate your trying to help.
 
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C0AE Casting ID NO equates to 1960 model run. Don't let the third character A confuse you. While marked for FORD, it could have also been used on MERC-EDSEL-TRUCK.
 
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C0AE Casting ID NO equates to 1960 model run. Don't let the third character A confuse you. While marked for FORD, it could have also been used on MERC-EDSEL-TRUCK.
AND... it could have also been used on subsequent model years too.
 
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Could not have been original to 59 truck though.
 
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Could not have been original to 59 truck though.
There is another possibility. The design changes to the engine that were put in place for 1960 may have been implemented in the engine plant before the 1959 model year ceased production. If that were the case those 1960 type engines may have been "pulled ahead" and then placed in 1959 model year trucks before the end of production. Parts manuals are full of footnotes for parts and assemblies that specify a specific part before a certain manufacture date and a different part after that manufacture date. This may have been the case here.
 
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Originally Posted by The Frenchtown Flyer

AND... it could have also been used on subsequent model years too.
CORRECT!

Finding the CASTING DATE CODE will narrow it down.
 
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Where is date code? Block says EBP, head codes as 1960. Truck manufacture date April 1959.
 
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